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Post by Olin Lucas on Oct 18, 2004 15:03:50 GMT -5
I just thought it would humor most of you to know that the entire Russian team got disqualified and walked out in Brazil. Many of you wonder why  There was mandatory drug screening at the end of competition for all right handed 1st place competitors. If I'm not mistaken this is something that was paid for and enforced by Humberto Panzetti (sp) You want to talk about a great step for the sport of armwrestling? That is awesome!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Ryan Espey on Oct 18, 2004 16:30:24 GMT -5
I agree that it is a step in the right direction... HOWEVER... in all fairness it should have been anounced before the tournament that this was going to be happening.
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Post by Olin Lucas on Oct 18, 2004 16:45:27 GMT -5
hahaha IT WAS!!!!!!!![/b] ;D There were several big name pullers that didn't come to Brazil, because they knew there was going to be testing. So instead they are now going to South Africa. Oh boy that will be a jam up event with nothing but a bunch of juiced up competition. ;D
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Post by Ryan Espey on Oct 18, 2004 17:22:41 GMT -5
Damn... how long in advance was this announced? If it was only a couple of months then this was still not enough time.
Any word on how the unification meetings went?
I have heard that Japan is going to be drug tested for the first year we are unified... if we are unified once again. Curious to see who will show... I know I will be there.
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Post by Steve Pettis on Oct 18, 2004 17:29:13 GMT -5
why should time matter they should not have been dirty any ways. Maybe someone should toss up the cash to have all the winners in the W armwrestling F worlds tested also and then we would know who the dirty players are. I think it is funny
Steve
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Post by Ryan Espey on Oct 18, 2004 18:09:15 GMT -5
It matters because if they are using IOC guidlines there are a number of things you might be taking without being aware it is banned that you will need time to flush out of your system.
If competitor A thinks that everyone else might be juicing then they might take some to level the playing field... if they knew there was testing then the same competitor might make a decision not to use because the field is already level.
It really is mute until they find a test for growth hormone anyway.
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Post by leonard on Oct 18, 2004 18:57:33 GMT -5
I’m not going to come on here and defend anyone, but don't condemn the Russians coming to South Africa. The Association that is a member of World Armsport is the All Russian Armwrestling Federation under the leadership of Mr. Makhmudov Mekhtikhan. The members of the World Armwrestling Federation that will be in South Africa are the Russian Armsport Federation under the leadership of Mr. Alexander Filimonov.
These are two very separate groups and have been for several years.
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Post by Chris Coletti on Oct 18, 2004 19:28:36 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken I heard that they were testing in South Africa also. Is this not so?
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Post by Olin Lucas on Oct 18, 2004 21:33:44 GMT -5
I’m not going to come on here and defend anyone, but don't condemn the Russians coming to South Africa. The Association that is a member of World Armsport is the All Russian Armwrestling Federation under the leadership of Mr. Makhmudov Mekhtikhan. The members of the World Armwrestling Federation that will be in South Africa are the Russian Armsport Federation under the leadership of Mr. Alexander Filimonov. These are two very separate groups and have been for several years. Leonard I wasn't implying that the "Russians" were going to South Africa because of the testing in Brazil. What I am saying is that there are plenty of other Europeon countries suchas Slovakia, Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, etc. who could have very well been influenced not to pull in Brazil. Hell if I were one of the top contenders in the world and knew one organization was going to test for IOC banned supplements, I would not fly across the world to chance being disqualifed. I'd go somewhere else where I would not have to worry about it. Don't you think that they also think the same?? All I have to say to the competitors who are going to South Africa is good luck, train hard, and I hope that USA prevails over it's anyone who is using performance enhancing drugs. Take care, Olin |
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Post by Olin Lucas on Oct 18, 2004 21:50:43 GMT -5
Damn... how long in advance was this announced? If it was only a couple of months then this was still not enough time. I have heard that Japan is going to be drug tested for the first year we are unified... if we are unified once again. Curious to see who will show... I know I will be there. Ryan if you went in for a big corporate job or some other great job, do you think they would say, "Mr. Espey we're going to give you a couple of months to clean up in case you're not already clean so you can pass this drug test?" HELL NO[/color] It doesn't work like that!!!!!!!! Even though after a couple of months you may STILL be able to pass a steroid test it still helped you gain strength that a normal person wouldn't be able to gain because of it, therefore; I don't think it matters if you get a one week or one hour notice. I did hear that Japan was going to test next year as well, even though there is no unification. BTW human growth hormone even though non detectable does not build up strength and mass like other people say it does. Trust me on this note. I"m not the most knowledgable person on HGH, but I do know that you have to take some other form of steroids suchas "Test", "Deca", "Anadrol", "Winstrol", etc. to maximize the full gains of it. I have two friends who both take HGH, and after 2 cycles didn't gain hardly any noticable size or strength while on "Gentropin rDNA HGH". When one of them stacked the HGH with "Test" and the other one stacked it with "Deca" they both started increasing the amount of weight they worked out with almost 5% for 6 weeks straight. At the same time both of them put on nearly 20lbs by the 8th week and had dramatically REDUCED body fat from ~17% down to almost %10 Water retention was very minimal as well. HGH is great, but it takes a little extra boost from some other supplements to get the full effects. |
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Post by Ryan Espey on Oct 18, 2004 22:11:06 GMT -5
Olin.
I hardly think your anaolgy applies here. What you are talking about is preparation. The same person knowing that they might be going for that job in a year might finish off those few college courses to get the degree needed while the other might be caught off gaurd not realizing that is what was needed.
If your friends are not getting gains off HGH then they should be hunting down the person that sold it to them... yes... I am implying that it is fake.
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Post by Ryan Espey on Oct 18, 2004 22:12:27 GMT -5
On a side note... 178 armwrestlers and 100 of them being Brazillian?? And they are not going to unify??
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Post by Christopher Myers on Oct 19, 2004 0:16:48 GMT -5
It matters because if they are using IOC guidlines there are a number of things you might be taking without being aware it is banned that you will need time to flush out of your system. If competitor A thinks that everyone else might be juicing then they might take some to level the playing field... if they knew there was testing then the same competitor might make a decision not to use because the field is already level. It really is mute until they find a test for growth hormone anyway. Ryan , I honestly think that you put it brilliantly !!! I have always felt like that. I have argued with people on this board that usage of enhancements is there personal business unless it is against the rules. I also agree the temptation to use would be alleviated greatly by knowing the playing field was even. I know people who use and people who dont and I understand why each does what they do. If I were to venture an opinion I would like it to be tested. I would like to win or lose against someone who has no other advantage then genetics or dedication Christopher Myers |
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Post by enginterzi on Oct 19, 2004 3:23:30 GMT -5
the countries that you mentioned that going to s.Africa was going to go to there anyways.that s the championships that they have decided to compete for a long time ago.there may be some armwrestlers that are using steroids but it doesnt meant that this s why they are going to s.Africa.
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Post by Steve Kirlew on Oct 19, 2004 7:27:15 GMT -5
I thought there are only 2 competitors from each country alowed to enter each class. Won't this create problems if there are 2 Russian teams attending South Africa?
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There was mandatory drug screening at the end of competition for all right handed 1st place competitors. If I'm not mistaken this is something that was paid for and enforced by Humberto Panzetti (sp) You want to talk about a great step for the sport of armwrestling? That is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
