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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 10, 2004 17:56:26 GMT -5
The bible is scientificly correct. beside a few miracles.
All scientific findings only prove the bible correct.
(even dinosours and evolution but we wont go there)
Scientific findings also obviously prove the quran wrong.
The earth is not flat.
the sun does not set on the earth in a place where a man can find much less set on the earth at all.
God does better math, he doesnt make mistakes.
The contridictions you may find in the bible of itself only seem contradictory on the surface, but when you ask God why he will explain.
Show me a scientific fault in the bible. An absolute fault. Lets discuss it.
The Quran teaches that stars are only missles to shoot at devils to prevent them from eavesdropping on heaven.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 6:42:09 GMT -5
Ryan,its not offensive but its full of ignorant.hadith are not by ALLAH.that is the first of all.i understand ur ignorence but i will guide you into the knowledge by the time that i can get english version of Quran.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 6:46:02 GMT -5
in bible GOD says HE created woman n mam at the fifth day but later on it writes that there was no man!!its so stupid that GOD forgot that HE created man at the 5. day.then its written that HE made woman from man's rib.woman should be created at the 5. day.so it makes everything so clear.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 7:14:52 GMT -5
about the creation of the earth and heavens,you just proved me that either your math is terrible or your understanding of GOD's capability is so narrow.
it shows that GOD has created the earth in 2 days then he established everything in another 4 days,it totals a 6 days.but i think that you compared GOD with some people that cant do two thing in same time like chewing gum and walking at same time.but Ryan,GOD is able to create heaven and earth's establish at same time.i really thought you were smarter than this.im sorry.
it will be real hard for your capacity to understand but i will try to help your narrow understanding to increase it's capacity.today i armwrestled,and again in today i did shopping.i also watched tv today.im not sure if you ever understand but please try to think a few more times before you declare something to not to make your self look funny.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 7:23:24 GMT -5
also 41-12 is not about heaven but earth's creation.its talking about the 7 different levels of sky.i understand that you felt to have a revenge but please dont act with hate and make these kind of mistakes to prove that you are right.i just opened the book and checked what you have written about,but its written about earth not heaven.so if you are going to publish truth lets discuss but writing lies kind of disrespectfulness.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 7:31:59 GMT -5
if you read Quran a little bit more,then you will realise that when it says heaven it means sky above us.nothing like paradise.about having roof above us and 7 layers in it,you must study a little bit biology to LEARN how many layers are above us that actually complites the sky as atmosphere,stratosphere,biosphere,litosphere....
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 7:36:36 GMT -5
again with your narrow understanding you also couldnt realise what it means to write where the sun sets and where the sun rise.it means my friend:),that east and west:).you are so funny my friend forgive me about it.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 7:52:31 GMT -5
do you think that the sun and our system are the only things in the universe that you really can think that the sun doesnt rotate in the universe??
The outer layers of the Sun exhibit differential rotation: at the equator the surface rotates once every 25.4 days; near the poles it's as much as 36 days. This odd behavior is due to the fact that the Sun is not a solid body like the Earth. Similar effects are seen in the gas planets. The differential rotation extends considerably down into the interior of the Sun but the core of the Sun rotates as a solid body
GOD s also showing the things from our wiew.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:06:39 GMT -5
troposhphere,stratosphere,termosphere,Ionosphere,magnetosphere,exosphere,mesosphere also are the 7 layers in the atmosphere that is the closest layer to us.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:13:59 GMT -5
also the 7 layers in earth is another point to number 7 of creation.for God has created the universe in 6 daysand rested on 7. day.
The Earth is divided into several layers which have distinct chemical and seismic properties (depths in km):
0- 40 Crust 40- 400 Upper mantle 400- 650 Transition region 650-2700 Lower mantle 2700-2890 D'' layer 2890-5150 Outer core 5150-6378 Inner core
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:16:17 GMT -5
once again that hadith are not Quran,so do not publish hadith as verses from GOD.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Dec 11, 2004 8:23:25 GMT -5
Some muslims refer to the hadith you may not some do. Whether they think it is holy scripture or not i dont know. But i know some muslims refer to it.
Again i apologize if i have offended you the most of those were not my words and i didnt have time to edit for political reasons, maybe i shouldnt have posted with out proper timing.
I apologize again. Do not call me stupid and do not call my God stupid. and I will respect the same.
You may not be aware of this but muslims and christians do not worship the same God. Christians believe you worship a false God and that muhammad is a false prophet. Doctors will tell you from looking at the description of muhammads divine trances, he was having epeleptic seizures. And any divine direction that comes out of seizures i believe is demonic. But i wasnt gonna go there. I wont go there much untill later. Do not offend me and i will try not to offend you.
I again apologize for my offense with those other posts.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:26:45 GMT -5
One of the most important reasons for the great equilibrium in the universe is the fact that celestial bodies follow specific paths. Stars, planets and satellites all rotate around their own axes and also rotate together with the system of which they are a part. The universe functions within a finely-tuned order, just like the wheels in a factory.
There are more than 100 billion galaxies in the visible universe and each small galaxy contains approximately a billion stars. Furthermore, each big galaxy contains more than a trillion. 16 Many of these stars have planets and many of those planets have satellites. All these celestial bodies follow the most finely calculated paths and orbits. For millions of years, each one has been moving in its own path in flawless harmony with all the others. In addition to these, there are also a great many comets moving along in their own pre-determined paths.
In addition, the paths in the universe are not restricted to a few celestial bodies. The Solar System and even other galaxies also exhibit considerable motion around other centres. Every year, Earth, and the Solar System with it, move some 500 million km from where they were the previous year. It has been calculated that even the slightest deviation from celestial bodies' paths could have drastic consequences which might spell the end of the entire system. For example, the consequences of the earth's deviating from its course by a mere 3 mm have been described in one source as follows:
While rotating around the sun, the earth follows such an orbit that, every 18 miles, it only deviates 2.8 millimetres from a direct course. The orbit followed by the earth never changes, because even a deviation of 3 millimetres would cause catastrophic disasters: If the deviation were 2.5 mm instead of 2.8 mm, then the orbit would be very large, and all of us would freeze. If the deviation were 3.1 mm, we would be scorched to death. 17
Another characteristic of heavenly bodies is that they also rotate around their own axes. The verse which reads " by Heaven with its cyclical systems," (Qur'an, 86:11) indicates this truth. Naturally, at the time when the Qur'an was revealed, people had no telescopes with which to study bodies millions of kilometres away in space, advanced observation technology or our modern knowledge of physics and astronomy. It was therefore impossible to establish that space had "its oscillating orbits," (Qur'an, 51:7) as described in the verse. The Qur'an however, revealed at that time, provided clear information concerning that fact. This is proof that this book is indeed Allah's Word.
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:28:25 GMT -5
The Qur'an contains a great many verses concerning the creation of the earth, the heavens and what lies between:
We did not create the heavens and earth and everything between them, except with truth. The Hour is certainly coming, so turn away graciously. (Qur'an, 15:85)
Everything in the heavens and everything on the earth and everything in between them and everything under the ground belongs to Him. (Qur'an, 20:6)
We did not create heaven and earth and everything in between them as a game. (Qur'an, 21:16)
Scientists state that first of all, a mass of hot gas increased in density. This mass later divided into smaller parts to form galactic matter and later still, the stars and planets. To put it another way, the Earth along with stars around it, are all parts which separated from a united body of gas. Some of these parts brought the suns and planets into being, thus leading to the emergence of the many Solar Systems and galaxies. As we have set out in earlier sections of this book, the universe was first in a state of "ratq" (fusion: combined together, united) and then became "fataqa" (divided into parts). The emergence of the universe is described with the most suitable words in the Qur'an, in such a way as to confirm the scientific accounts. 6
On the occasion of every division, a few particles remained outside the new, fundamental bodies forming in space. The scientific name for these extra particles is "interstellar galactic material." Interstellar matter consists of 60% of hydrogen, 38% of helium and 2% of all other elements. 99% of the interstellar matter consists of interstellar gas and 1% of interstellar dust, which probably consists of heavy elements in small particles of 0,0001 to 0.001 mm in diameter. Scientists regard these substances as very important from the point of view of astrophysical measurements. These substances are so fine as to be capable of being regarded as dust, smoke or gas. However, when one considers these substances as a whole, they represent a larger mass than the total of all the galaxies in space. Although the existence of this interstellar galactic matter was only discovered in 1920, attention was drawn to the existence of these particles, described as "ma baynahuma"-translated as "everything between them"-hundreds of years ago in the Qur'an.7
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Post by enginterzi on Dec 11, 2004 8:29:49 GMT -5
One fact about the universe revealed in the verses of the Qur'an is that the sky is made up of seven layers:
It is He Who created everything on the earth for you and then directed His attention up to heaven and arranged it into seven regular heavens. He has knowledge of all things. (Qur'an, 2:29)
Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke. In two days He determined them as seven heavens and revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate. (Qur'an, 41:11-12)
The word "heavens," which appears in many verses in the Qur'an, is used to refer to the sky above the Earth, as well as the entire universe. Given this meaning of the word, it is seen that the Earth's sky, or the atmosphere, is made up of seven layers.
Today, it is known that the world's atmosphere consists of different layers that lie on top of each other.19 Based on the criteria of chemical contents or air temperature, the definitions made have determined the atmosphere of the earth as seven layers.20 According to the "Limited Fine Mesh Model (LFMMII)," a model of atmosphere used to estimate weather conditions for 48 hours, the atmosphere is also 7 layers. According to the modern geological definitions the seven layers of atmosphere are as follows:
1. Troposphere
2. Stratosphere
3. Mesosphere
4. Thermosphere
5. Exosphere
6. Ionosphere
7. Magnetosphere
The Qur'an says, "[He] revealed, in every heaven, its own mandate," in Surah Fussilat 12. In other words, Allah is stating that He assigned each heaven its own duty. Truly, as will be seen in following chapters, each one of these layers has vital duties for the benefit of human kind and all other living things on the Earth. Each layer has a particular function, ranging from forming rain to preventing harmful rays, from reflecting radio waves to averting the harmful effects of meteors.
The verses below inform us about the appearance of the seven layers of the atmosphere:
Do you not see how He created seven heavens in layers? (Qur'an, 71:15)
He Who created the seven heavens in layers… (Qur'an, 67:3)
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