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Feb 2, 2005 15:51:06 GMT -5
Post by Andy Souliere on Feb 2, 2005 15:51:06 GMT -5
Good thread. I grew up in the country here in Maine and if any of you have read any of Stephen King's novels, you will know that the whole state is haunted. When I was a kid of about 10 or 11, I swear that I saw a ghost, the boogie-man whatever you want to call it. I was out in the woods with my 22 looking for inocent birds to shoot off of the pasture fences. I was just sitting on a rock when out of the corner of my eye, I thought I saw a movement. Well being taught the finer points of hunting, I very slowly turned my head. Well, I think that was the first time that I wet my pants. There not more than 30 feet away was a man of some sort. Watching me. I jumped up screaming and fell off of the rock, gun and all. Well, I was still looking in that direction, when all of a sudden he was gone. Well, I think I ran that 1/2 mile of pasture back road and through the fields, eyes bugging out, pants wet. I am a 43 year old man, who completely believes in the bible and I love my lord, but........I know I saw something and that vision comes back to me every now and then. Never went back to that spot - Ever.
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Feb 2, 2005 15:52:54 GMT -5
Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 2, 2005 15:52:54 GMT -5
I see Bigfoot hitch-hiking from time to time in Vermont. He seems like a nice fellow.
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Ghosts
Feb 2, 2005 15:53:20 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 15:53:20 GMT -5
The answer i would give to that you wouldnt accept.
God gives us all a free will. Those babies BAPTIZED OR NOT are going to heaven. becuase they have not reached the age of accountability, where they are responsible for eaccepting or denying Jesus christ as Lord and Savior. Those murders Gods judgment does come to them. They must face the consequences of that. BUT becuase God is such a loving God he extends his grace to all that are willing to come to him through the blood of Christ.
Jesus stated a point on adultery that if you even look at a woman with lust you are guilty of adultery in your heart. Have you though about killing someone or just looked at someone with hate in your heart? Then you according to the words of Christ are guilty of murder in your heart. Every body say "God judges you by your heart not by your religion" that is half true.
Jesus said if anyone causes a child to sin or stumble It is better to tie a rock around his neck and throw him in the sea.
Alll through the bible God declares his wrath against children.
God does protect those children even the ones who fall under that situation. Thats why you dont need a "mark" on your soul as a child. God knows that they are a child.
But like i said you proly wont accept this answer. The bible says that his thoughts are higher than our thoughts and his ways are higher than our ways. Some things we cant understand.
This is a biblical answer to your question. but its likley you wont accept it.
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Feb 2, 2005 15:55:01 GMT -5
Post by josephsirois on Feb 2, 2005 15:55:01 GMT -5
So does god have preconcieved knowledge of someone going to hell or not?
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Feb 2, 2005 16:00:43 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 16:00:43 GMT -5
People die as a result of sin. Science has discover that our bodies are designed to live for ever becuase it constantly heals itself. Death is a result of sin.
Premature death is a result of human imperfection. And becuase of sin we die.
Although how many times where you almost in a wreck. how many times where you almost in a wreck that you dont even know about. Is God not in that?
Gods mercy is that knowing the disgusting people we are he still loves us and offers us hope of redemption. His mercy is his not wiping us out right now. he has the power. becuase as you state he is omnipotent and omniceint and omnipresent.
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Feb 2, 2005 16:00:54 GMT -5
Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 2, 2005 16:00:54 GMT -5
So does god have preconcieved knowledge of someone going to hell or not? That brings up an interesting point. If God is omniscient, then free-will would seem unnecessary and irrelevant., because God would already know what we will choose. I think the best way to explain all of this is just for everyone to watch the Matrix. That solves everything with a happy ending, and great special effects. Nothing more needed. ;D
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Feb 2, 2005 16:04:16 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 16:04:16 GMT -5
Yes God has foreknowledge ( i dont know if preconcieved is the right word here). He offers them grace and salvation but he does not force it. They choose there destination. He is a gentleman. If he forced himself on us one it would be a spiritual rape and two it wouldnt be a genuine decision to love and serve him.
This is another reason he will not just appear and demand everyone to worship him or die and go to hell. This is why Jesus couldnt use his Power for his own benefit (turning stone into bread).
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Feb 2, 2005 16:05:01 GMT -5
Post by John Stanton on Feb 2, 2005 16:05:01 GMT -5
the thing with ghosts and the like is, all you have to do is pull off their mask and reveal their true identy...
that's how it worked on scooby-doo
I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you pesky kids and your dog!!!
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Feb 2, 2005 16:05:58 GMT -5
Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 2, 2005 16:05:58 GMT -5
Gods mercy is that knowing the disgusting people we are... Boy that's good news to know we are "disgusting".... Why didn't God create everyone to look beautiful? If I were God, I would create a world of beautiful beings who would enjoy living in peace and harmony forever...... then I'd make them fight..... lol jk
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Feb 2, 2005 16:06:38 GMT -5
Post by josephsirois on Feb 2, 2005 16:06:38 GMT -5
lol Steven..
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Feb 2, 2005 16:06:47 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 16:06:47 GMT -5
God created u to have a free will. and his knowing we would sin and having everything planned out already.
Why doesnt he just creat people to worship him? if you "created" a woman to marry you wouldnt you want her to marry you becuase of love and not out of force? doesnt that seem pointless?
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Feb 2, 2005 16:08:18 GMT -5
Post by josephsirois on Feb 2, 2005 16:08:18 GMT -5
So your answer is, God is full well knowing creating people who are predestined to go to hell.
NICE ;D
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Feb 2, 2005 16:09:51 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 16:09:51 GMT -5
funny steven God did create everything beautiful. Image Adam had the best looking woman on the planet ;D We in our sin messed everything up. Steven if we dont realize how messed up we are and how disgusting we are. We are blind. And refuse to see. It is our sin that Crucified Christ. We in our sin are guilty of the murder of the Son of God.. is that not disgusting?
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Feb 2, 2005 16:10:57 GMT -5
Post by Ryan Thames on Feb 2, 2005 16:10:57 GMT -5
Not predestined. God is not creating people who are going to hell. God is creating people who choose to. And he knows there choice before they make it.
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Feb 2, 2005 16:11:37 GMT -5
Post by Steven Lareau on Feb 2, 2005 16:11:37 GMT -5
Ryan, what do you presume heaven to be like? Or does the bible actually say what heaven is like? I imagine heaven to be big white fluffy clouds, with Harps, and angels singing and Charmin Ultra available everywhere.....
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