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Post by Justin Kerns on Jul 27, 2012 16:10:31 GMT -5
I think there will b a future match. I have seen a couple vids of alxey practing with denis. I believe he is slowly making a come back but I'm sure that will happen when he feels he can dominate again. I seen armpower.net he was attending the A1 armwrestling tournament open class I don't know if he will compete or not. In my opinion voevoda will win probably because everyone talks about devons endurance but I believe true endurance is competing in tournaments not supermatches. In a tournament you face many different ppl in one day with different strengths and weaknesses and voevoda went against everone an didn't lose onc. He went against travis john girdner who were all powerful an many others an never lost that's true strength and endurance in my opinion not just supermatch. I love devon he is my favorite armwrestler but I got to go with voevoda cause when he returns he will b ready cause he still knows how to train for the sport.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Jul 27, 2012 17:20:17 GMT -5
Endurance matters when power is close, but in the case of Mike who arguably has the most endurance and heart... Neither of it mattered because voevoda was so far ahead
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Post by Jason Merlo on Jul 27, 2012 17:53:23 GMT -5
Wow Mr. Vigeant, that was perfectly stated. And I honestly feel that a few of these posts are a little biased toward Larratt's side. And dont get me wrong, Devon Larratt is my second favorite arm wrestler next to John Brzenk, Larratt is the man to beat now. However, I have to think that Alexey would give Devon a huge struggle. Voevoda was all POWER. He was never taken down by anyone other than Travis and when that happened, Voevoda came back in 04 and DESTROYED competiton and he looked like one huge piece of steel. I honestly feel that THEN, Voevoda was the best arm wrestler in the world, and I have to side more toward Voevoda in '04 beating a Devon Larratt '12, just because of Voevoda's raw power that took down the top of the top, he was unstoppable.
As I write this though, I think about a 6 match format, Devon has outstanding endurance.... Very tough to choose who would win.....i just wish an '04 voevoda was around today at his best and we would see a match against devon larratt at his best. I feel like this would be one supermatch that would go down in history.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jul 27, 2012 22:22:27 GMT -5
With incredible respect to both armwrestlers, Voevoda was more dominant at his peak. Devon is incredible, but has won many of his most impressive matches as a result of his defensive lock and incredible endurance. Voevoda didn't have matches like that. He simply steamrolled pretty much everybody.
I imagine that Devon would give Voevoda a beastly fight, doing everything he could not to lose his hand to Voevoda's toproll, but I think ultimately Voevoda's insane backpressure would win out.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 16:43:13 GMT -5
I actually did ask John this question one time. This was his answer to my question.
"Hard to say about Devon and Alexey ... alexey might be strong enough to take him right to the pad... but if Devon were able to stop him somehow ... he would win."
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 16:47:46 GMT -5
I just couldn't picture Alexey taking Devon to the pad 6 times. Maybe once or twice and not easily. Lets remember that Neil himself said everyone was laying down to Alexey but giving the US competitors their absolute best. John had some very very tough matches with Taras and wasn't 100% for the tournament anyways. Even then John was able to mess with Alexey enough to take him to the straps. In the straps different story Alexey won pretty easily. But again John was in bad shape. Now When Devon pulled John, John also was in no shape at all for that either. He was once again injured but Devon was just as dominant if not more so over John than Alexey was in Nemiroff because Devon got to pull a fresh John who had not just had wars with Tara's in the 95kg class. I just don't see Alexey beating a primed Devon. I can see him beating him in a tournament all day long though just not a supermatch.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 16:49:15 GMT -5
In my opinion the injured John that Devon pulled was alos stronger than the injured John at 2004 Zloty. I will ask John out of those two times which one he thought was stronger.
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Post by Jason Merlo on Jul 29, 2012 17:24:34 GMT -5
That would be great to find out john's opinion on those two matches. And also I wonder what John would say are the dominant positions for Devon Larratt and Alexey Voevoda, I have a feeling he would say Alexey is best with a hook and Devon with his back pressure, but I'm still curious about John's opinion.
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Post by Erick "Zap" Szczap on Jul 29, 2012 18:43:21 GMT -5
That would be great to find out john's opinion on those two matches. And also I wonder what John would say are the dominant positions for Devon Larratt and Alexey Voevoda, I have a feeling he would say Alexey is best with a hook and Devon with his back pressure, but I'm still curious about John's opinion.They both tend to go 'high hook' with constant pressure through their opponent's hand. Devon often ends up in more of a pure hook from there. Voevoda tended to take his opponents' hand a bit more often IMO.
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 29, 2012 18:48:16 GMT -5
Maybe Michael Todd could answer this question better than anyone?
Seems obvious Voevoda would be the answer. RVJ explained it quite well.
Guess we won't know until/if they pull.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 18:48:56 GMT -5
John answered my question for me. I feel kinda dumb asking him a question I had already ask before because I imagine he gets tired of hearing the same question lol but I was curious bout the injury factor in both matches so I ask a little different. This was his answer and I think he clarified enough to suite what I was wondering.
"in 04 when I pulled Alexey I was about ready to quit the sport I had very bad inner elbow pain that caused me not to pull / practice for about 3 or 4 years ... I was coasting along ready to quit when the Pulling john crew came around. So I wasn't in the greatest armwrestling condition. It's very hard to gage those two guys by that ... I would say if Alexey isn't strong enough to Pin Devon right after the GO ... if Devon is able to stop it ...he would win. But that's a big if. Devon will have a very hard time controlling Alexey's hand it's very wide and very strong ... I could see him rolling Devon's hand flat. I don't think Alexey would beat him in a hook match."
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 18:53:38 GMT -5
Also said that "funny how just a little pain will shut the mind down for producing max power."
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Post by Jason Merlo on Jul 29, 2012 19:36:50 GMT -5
The legend John Brzenk, incredible human being, incredible power, I can't imagine feeling the power of his hand, he has so much drive to win it is amazing, very inspirational human being for myself I must say. Never intimidated, just goes for it. I wish Brzenk had a rematch with Voevoda then when Brzenk really wanted to go for it.
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Post by Jason Merlo on Jul 29, 2012 19:37:49 GMT -5
And yes, I wonder what Michael Todd's opinion is on this subject of Alexey Voevoda and how Todd can gauge Voevoda's strength then.
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Jul 29, 2012 21:52:23 GMT -5
Devon is my friend so its obvious who i think will win. I will say that john and Travis would have the best opinions but in my opinion it looked like travis got the hit off and Voevoda controlled him and pulled him back makes me think Devon would be able to get Voevoda in the staps and hook him or press him the way he did Bresnan in the last 2 matches. also Voevoda was a powerhouse outside controlling not super fast like Taras so that is good for Devon i think if they just straight up toprolled Voevodas advantage if they hooked Devon holds him . I just cant see Voevoda keeping Devon from turning him into a hook 6 times i think Devon has way more moves and angles John turned him in the straps in 04 Devon does that in the first mach and stops him with the bicep hook lock its all over .
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