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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 22:16:36 GMT -5
John did say if it went in a hook Devon would beat Voevoda.
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 29, 2012 22:18:20 GMT -5
Devon is my friend so its obvious who i think will win. I will say that john and Travis would have the best opinions but in my opinion it looked like travis got the hit off and Voevoda controlled him and pulled him back makes me think Devon would be able to get Voevoda in the staps and hook him or press him the way he did Bresnan in the last 2 matches. also Voevoda was a powerhouse outside controlling not super fast like Taras so that is good for Devon i think if they just straight up toprolled Voevodas advantage if they hooked Devon holds him . I just cant see Voevoda keeping Devon from turning him into a hook 6 times i think Devon has way more moves and angles John turned him in the straps in 04 Devon does that in the first mach and stops him with the bicep hook lock its all over . Doesn't John's commentary in Pulling John say that he (John) had nothing for Voevoda and no control?
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 22:21:18 GMT -5
^That is irrelevant to what John actually did. Voevoda was just simply stronger that day. But John did just tell me a little while ago that if Devon turns Voevoda into a hook or even just simply doesn't get pinned right after GO then Devon wins in both cases.
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Post by Ryan Adams on Jul 29, 2012 22:29:31 GMT -5
"Devon will have a very hard time controlling Alexey's hand it's very wide and very strong ... I could see him rolling Devon's hand flat."
He also said that.
We'll just have to wait and see if it ever happens.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 22:36:03 GMT -5
Yup but he didn't say he would beat him just because he rolled it flat
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 29, 2012 22:36:37 GMT -5
Devon can pull cracked back.
Also remember how much trouble pushkar gave Alexey from a cracked hand position
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Jul 29, 2012 22:53:12 GMT -5
Devon dosnt need to control Voevodas hand. If they end up in the straps and they are on tight devon just needs his wrist or forearm to touch Voevodas with no gap and he will be able to beat his arm by hook or press devon is good at this and i dont know how to explain it vey well by typing but i know how to do this good on the table againts pure toprollers Devon will use downpressure to win if this makes sense
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Post by Jeremy Chaudoin on Jul 29, 2012 22:55:24 GMT -5
Personally I think Voevoda would lose to Devon 5-1 maybe 4-2 if he gets a strap match early on. But I would want to see a second super scheduled afterwards. I think then that Voevoda would learn from it and train even harder much like he did with Travis. The second super I would guess 4-2 Voevoda after some serious devotion on his part. But all this isn't even my personal dream match. I don't think we have seen Bagent prime right handed yet just my thoughts.
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Jul 29, 2012 23:05:04 GMT -5
Also i think Voevoda can and will come back i think hes the same age as me if he trains hard 1 yearand hes back in the top 10 in the world the mans a awesome beast
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Post by Michael Bluth on Jul 29, 2012 23:06:49 GMT -5
Hypotheticals are kind of lame but whatever, here are my 2 cents.
You have to look at Alexey's move. He had this amazingly powerful high hook much like Tim Bresnan. We all know that Devon had a hard time with that move against Tim and I'm willing to say Voevoda was stronger then, than Tim is now(Brzenk said Voevoda was the strongest armwrestler he ever pulled). Puskar vs Devon is a bad comparison because Devon takes his hand. Voevoda's hand and wrist were insane back in the day from what I can tell.
Also as was mentioned earlier, people have an incredibly hard time pinning M. Todd but Voevoda powered through like it was nothing.
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Jul 29, 2012 23:09:04 GMT -5
Voevodas naturally a large big boned guy not some small guy all fake drugged up to be a big guy so i think he could have a long life in the sport other guys that are enhanced sooner or later somethings gonna blow
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Post by Dante Dall'Antonia on Jul 29, 2012 23:21:15 GMT -5
Michael Bluth...ok Devon vs Pushkar. Wrong arm also as i said before Devon needs to beat the arm when he pulled Tim you could see him fighting outside then flying back inside where in vegas when he committed to the arm u saw what happened and Michael Todd was not the same man then or pull the same way.
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Post by Logan Schuetzle on Jul 29, 2012 23:53:15 GMT -5
Yes Michael Todd is not a good example. He stood up back then. I think Alexey would be a bad match up for Devon. I feel even if he got inside he would still be knuckles up and alexey would still win with his high back pressure. His style is sorta like Tim's, but in IMO stronger.
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Post by Zach Creel on Jul 30, 2012 4:53:45 GMT -5
Lets not forget when Vovoeda beat Brzenk it was what 2004? AW seems to have changed alot since that time. I think Larratt would handle him rather easily. "AW seems to have changed alot since that time." REALLY? UH, Ok? See this is the perfect question for those who have ACTUALLY PULLED both to answer, to bad there R and WERE MOMOS on this board, who basically turned those OFF to this board.... Maybe someone can go on FACKBOOK and ask one of them, John B and he can give u an OBJECTIVE OPINION on this topic... Not sure what the second half of your response was about, but I did pick up on the sarcasm lol anyways. This was just my opinion from someone who has not even been to his first tournament, but i look at AW like every other sport. Every sport is going to change in almost a decades worth time. Devon has obviously changed a great deal since 2004. Travis beat Voevoda back then and used to give Devon major problems, but Devon seems to have adapted to it and learned the best way to AW Travis. I doubt its a case of Travis getting worse at the sport. I thought that Devon just had gotten better/smarter. Its impossible for me to know how others train, but just from what I have seen, I am under the impression that Devons ability to avoid certain AWers strengths and exploit their weakness seems to be second to none. Like I said I don't even pull my first tournament until Europa in a few weeks so I could be completely way off and if I am i don't mean disrespect to anyone.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 30, 2012 5:53:23 GMT -5
"AW seems to have changed alot since that time." REALLY? UH, Ok? See this is the perfect question for those who have ACTUALLY PULLED both to answer, to bad there R and WERE MOMOS on this board, who basically turned those OFF to this board.... Maybe someone can go on FACKBOOK and ask one of them, John B and he can give u an OBJECTIVE OPINION on this topic... Not sure what the second half of your response was about, but I did pick up on the sarcasm lol anyways. This was just my opinion from someone who has not even been to his first tournament, but i look at AW like every other sport. Every sport is going to change in almost a decades worth time. Devon has obviously changed a great deal since 2004. Travis beat Voevoda back then and used to give Devon major problems, but Devon seems to have adapted to it and learned the best way to AW Travis. I doubt its a case of Travis getting worse at the sport. I thought that Devon just had gotten better/smarter. Its impossible for me to know how others train, but just from what I have seen, I am under the impression that Devons ability to avoid certain AWers strengths and exploit their weakness seems to be second to none. Like I said I don't even pull my first tournament until Europa in a few weeks so I could be completely way off and if I am i don't mean disrespect to anyone. Ok,watch Travis match with Voevoda CAREFULLY, u will see y he won. Travis had rt wrist surgery a few yrs ago, that coupled with the fact that he barely trains for AWing anymore, is y Travis USED to give Devon, AND everyone else trouble Rt, oh AND lt handed Since ur relatively new to the board, the 2nd part of my thread about Facebook is that you can go on there and find a pg with John and Engin, answering questions, where they once would on here.
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