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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 2, 2013 15:42:01 GMT -5
Unifieds should be in the same spot every year in a central location.. Fed ex uses Memphis Tennessee for a central hub.. Just sayin
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on Aug 2, 2013 15:42:47 GMT -5
True that Jamie... There are "national champs"... Getting busted at fairs and local pub events... How is that credible ?
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Post by Joseph Pagani on Aug 2, 2013 15:44:31 GMT -5
If you win a national title at AAA nationals, do you get recognized as a national champion or do you have to win at the USAF to be officially recognized as a national champion? You get the pretty blue stars for winning any "national title" Oh okay, gotcha
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Post by Joseph Pagani on Aug 2, 2013 15:48:21 GMT -5
Chaffee, Vazgen, and Storm winning the triple crown last year really showed they were best in class! Do you think the majority of armwrestlers would favor having a triple crown to shoot for? or having one main national instead is better overall?
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Post by Taylor Beatty on Aug 2, 2013 16:07:37 GMT -5
Make unified nats somewhere worth spending an arm and a leg to travel to Not middle of nowhere 3 hours from airport and nothing to do. If its wortg traveling to then youll get the support. Like vegas, or cali or anything like that.
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Post by Karl "SUPERMAN" Stanley on Aug 2, 2013 16:10:59 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure there would be alot of pi$$ed off pullers from the East coast if the one and only nationals to qualify for worlds was in the west coast every year! I agree should be only one nationals a year and it should be the world qualifier! But it this is the case def needs to be a central location for ALL pullers! If you must have two nationals a year why can't unifieds run the west coast, AAA run the East coast and all first place winners qualify for the two open world team spots!? Seems to me this can happen but some ppl might be to stubborn to do so? IMO! But something def needs to change!
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Post by Jeff Janes on Aug 2, 2013 16:41:13 GMT -5
Chaffee, Vazgen, and Storm winning the triple crown last year really showed they were best in class! Do you think the majority of armwrestlers would favor having a triple crown to shoot for? or having one main national instead is better overall? Financially it's an easy question, one nationals.
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 2, 2013 18:40:44 GMT -5
A central location would be nice for unifieds.. Now that is out of the way.....
None of this talk ever occurred when I first started, simply because you had to be a bad ass mofo to win any of the nationals, now.. A lower level open guy can win because people are just not traveling like they were and some people just aren't competing anymore.. Not really the promoters fault we aren't attending.. So why should they lay down and quit doing their nationals because people think the title is diluted?
Just offering a different way to think about it, that's all..
If we all attended the title wouldn't be diluted..
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 2, 2013 18:44:45 GMT -5
I'm just asking to the people who believe so firmly in one nationals, would you buy a plane ticket or get there every year?
What if there was only one national and bresnan didn't show and gene spiker won? Would it be diluted?
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Post by Bruce Ronquille Jr on Aug 2, 2013 19:13:55 GMT -5
IMHO the title is diluted when you have 4 or 5 nationals. 9 out of 10 times the same guy who wins the 176 pound class isn't going to go to all of the national championship tourneys so then you end up with 3,4 or 5 guys all who have a national title in the same weight class in the same year
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Post by Joseph Pagani on Aug 2, 2013 19:29:27 GMT -5
IMHO the title is diluted when you have 4 or 5 nationals. 9 out of 10 times the same guy who wins the 176 pound class isn't going to go to all of the national championship tourneys so then you end up with 3,4 or 5 guys all who have a national title in the same weight class in the same year And then it probably comes to the question, who is the real national champion at 176 if there are 3-4 guys national champs at the same class. It should be one 176 national champ, so then the next years mission for all other pullers in that weight class can fight to dethrone the current 176 national champ, not to dethrone one and then have to travel and pull the other 2 national champs in the same class for the official title.
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 3, 2013 1:38:40 GMT -5
I only used gene as a example because he is the only person I know of who pulled heavy wt at nats besides brooks..hopefully you're on your medicine gene I didn't mean anything by it..
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Post by michaelmeador on Aug 3, 2013 2:19:16 GMT -5
IMHO the title is diluted when you have 4 or 5 nationals. 9 out of 10 times the same guy who wins the 176 pound class isn't going to go to all of the national championship tourneys so then you end up with 3,4 or 5 guys all who have a national title in the same weight class in the same year And then it probably comes to the question, who is the real national champion at 176 if there are 3-4 guys national champs at the same class. It should be one 176 national champ, so then the next years mission for all other pullers in that weight class can fight to dethrone the current 176 national champ, not to dethrone one and then have to travel and pull the other 2 national champs in the same class for the official title. just a mere five years ago these questions didn't exist. And there was 3 nationals..
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Post by Mike West on Aug 3, 2013 6:54:51 GMT -5
I've ask before, and I'll ask again. For everyone wanting USAF Unifieds as the one National Championship, where were you this year, if you want it as the ONE nationals then show up and support it, even if you don't wanna go to Worlds it's still a National title. I've traveled all over this country to compete, that's what we as AWers do. If your not showing up to compete, then don't keep talking about how diluted they all are, many times it's not the quantity that matters, it's the quality.
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Post by TK on Aug 3, 2013 7:06:53 GMT -5
there are 12 months in a year (i know duh)
3 nationals. now a talk of possible 4...how much time does someone have to train to attend all of these?.....then youre forced to pick ONE. and afford to attend all of them.
Binnie has a point though......everyone wants a NATIONAL TITLE....so folks keep showing up.
let's talk history first?
1. AAA was the first nationals.
then why did the 2nd "nationals" that came along become a world qualifier? why isn't AAA the "ONLY" qualifier for worlds?
why are the pullers allowing another nationals? don't the pullers have control? they kinda do don't they? take a look around was John B at AAA's? was Travis Bagent? was Allan Fisher? just to name a few y'all.....folks these are the guys you have to beat to be the BEST. they aren't showing up!!! and now we have "NATIONAL CHAMPS" who aren't qualified to be "TRUE" national champs because NOBODY SHOWED.....
I WOULD RATHER GO 0-4 AND TRAVEL TO VEGAS ONCE A YEAR AND SPEND MY $1000.00 OR MORE THAN TO WIN A NATIONAL TITLE WITHOUT THE "BEST" BEING THERE.....
WHY WHY WHY IS THIS SPORT KILLING ITSELF?
I'LL ADMIT MY GOALS MAY NOT BE TO BE THE BEST IN THE WORLD, BUT TO BE THE BEST IN THE NATION WOULD BE MY GOAL. SO I'D SAY THE FIRST AND ORIGNAL NATIONALS SHOULD BE RECONIZED AS THE NATIONALS....THE REST ARE IMITATION AT BEST.
THE FACT THAT 2 NATIONAL EVENTS HAPPENED WITHIN THE SAME MONTH ALMOST SHOWS THAT THE SPORT HAS A CANCER GROWING
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