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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 26, 2006 21:53:30 GMT -5
The BROKEN PROMISES of Legalized Abortion
1. More choices for women in crisis? The right to “choose” abortion has become the right to “coerce” women into abortion. Studies show that aborted women are twice as likely to be the victims of homicide and domestic violence – confirming the coersion surrounding abortion.
2. More power for women? Legalized abortion has facilitated the sexual exploitation of women – making women into objects to be used instead of persons to be loved.
3. An answer to sexual abuse? Women victimized by the violence of rape or incest have expressed feeling further violated by abortion. Women who have chosen keep or adopt out their children report experiencing healing and love, rather than more pain.
4. No more women and children in poverty? The number of women and children in poverty, and the number of abused children has both increased steadily since 1973.
5. Abortion liberates women? Abortion is destroying women. A 30-year medical review shows that women who underwent abortion were 3-6 times more likely to commit suicide. Mother and child are a sacred unity, and a woman's knowledge that she caused the death of her own child naturally leads to deep psychological disturbance.
“Every 36 seconds in America a woman lays her body down forced to choose abortion out of a lack of practical resources and emotional support. Abortion is a reflection that society has failed women.”
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 27, 2006 8:10:07 GMT -5
Ryan - where DO you get this stuff? And do you realize that just because you copy it off the internet somewhere that it isn't necessarily gospel?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 27, 2006 18:03:23 GMT -5
www.bdfund.orgBioethics defense fund. this is an organization that has been a major facter in passin the recent ban on abortion being passed in louisiana. it may not save your soul but it is going to save untold numbers of infants lives. i know this information also because my girlfriend and her entire family are heavly involved the crisis pregnancy ministry, thus the "pull for life" tournament i held in march and will hold again.
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 27, 2006 18:16:12 GMT -5
Let me ask you this. Since you are obviously wanting to reverse Roe v Wade, is that at any cost under any circumstance? No gray areas whatsoever, just simply black or white, yes or no?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 27, 2006 18:44:58 GMT -5
dont understand the question
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Post by Bill Maenza on Apr 27, 2006 19:09:07 GMT -5
I think Karen might be referring to incest or rape - right Karen?
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 27, 2006 19:18:53 GMT -5
Sorry I wasn't more specific Ryan. You are for abolishing abortion completely - is that correct? No matter what the reason, what the cost to human beings, what the outcome, etc.? Just simply abolish abortion?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 27, 2006 22:16:46 GMT -5
are you implying that that child is not human?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 27, 2006 22:18:50 GMT -5
This law that is banning abortion in Louisiana is to ban all forms and excuses for abortion except in the case to save the mother's life.
Some are still trying to amend the bill to allow for situations of rape and incest, but I don't think it should be allowed. It is not that child's fault. I really wish you guys could've been at my tournament in March. The lady that gave her testimony has an awesome story.
She posed the question to the audience, when is it ok to abort? When a woman's husband makes her sell herself, then gets pregnant with a black man's baby in a highly racist community, the woman ends up on drugs and in prison? Is it ok then? She then made the statement, that if it were ok in that case, then her daughter wouldn't have been competing and taking 1st place at the tournament that day.
She gave another example:
Is it ok when a 14-17 year old girl is pregnant and it isn't her fiance's baby?
Then Jesus Christ would not have been born
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 27, 2006 22:32:58 GMT -5
"are you implying that that child is not human?"
Ryan - what in the world are you talking about? I asked you very simply are you in favor of abolishing abortion NO MATTER WHAT. This is your answer?
A simple yes or no would do.
"This law that is banning abortion in Louisiana is to ban all forms and excuses for abortion except in the case to save the mother's life. Some are still trying to amend the bill to allow for situations of rape and incest, but I don't think it should be allowed."
So, this is your answer right? You think abortion should be abolished no matter what. Is that right Ryan?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 27, 2006 22:57:23 GMT -5
yes
abortion is murder. however i agree with the loop hole in the law that says with the exception to save the mother.
thats still tough ethically debate there but i dont think that part of the law should be messed with.
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Post by Chris Gangi on Apr 28, 2006 6:21:09 GMT -5
so if I had a sister and she was raped and became pregnant you would rather see her have the baby of a rapist and possibly never be mentally right again then have an abortion.......
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Post by Carey Nick on Apr 28, 2006 7:26:50 GMT -5
Speaking of ROE vs Wade...it brings me back to Allen's joke about the New Orleans mayor..."I don't know how the people got back to their houses."
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 28, 2006 14:56:48 GMT -5
why should you put your sisters child to death? is the child guilty of the crime?
Would you rather her murder the baby of the rapist?
as the broken promise thread states. a woman suffers twice in this situation. she suffers knowing that she was raped, and she suffers knowing that she murdered her own child.
the question isnt what is best for our convienience the question is, what is right and wrong?
is it right to murder a child because someone else raped someone? or is it right to let that child live, and see the glory of God work through the situation?
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Post by Karen Bean on Apr 28, 2006 18:32:18 GMT -5
Ryan could you please answer this for me 1 - you stated "are you implying that that child is not human?"
What does this mean? Where was there any implication that a child is not human? This is the answer you gave me when I asked you if you are in favor of abolishing abortion no matter what.
2 - you stated "i agree with the loop hole in the law that says with the exception to save the mother."
So in order to "save the mother" it's ok with you to allow abortion. Right?
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