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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 15, 2006 11:47:59 GMT -5
My bible teaches me to pray for the peace of Isreal. I beleive that our support of Isreal is why our nation is blessed.
I know these guys have been fighting for centeries. but everything seems to be esculating. So i encourage everyone to please pray for peace. in light of the middle eastern conflicts and the north korea situation. We all need to pray for peace.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 12:27:51 GMT -5
one Israeli "soldier" kept as prisoner and now Israel has killed over "100 civillian" in Palestina and Lebanon because of this in only a few days.
now who is terrorist? and when the relateds of those killed civillians would put bomb on themselves and they will be shown as terrorists,right? i think it is ok to kill only with armed forces,other wise if you sacrifise yourself (because of the pain that comes by the deaths of your family members ) then you are a terrorist.looks like some people's life is more valuable than the others.
when they kill it is ok,when they are killed then the others are terrorist.individual terrorism is nothing to compared to the governmental terrorism.
i really hope that world war three and the end of the world is very soon,then we all will see at whose side GOD will be on the judgement day.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 15, 2006 12:40:05 GMT -5
id rather have peace than war engin.
Regardless of who you think is right or wrong. All i was asking was for people, yourself included. to pray for peace. Noone wants to die, noone wants to kill.
Lets leave it at that engin, id rather not get into that discussion with you.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 12:57:48 GMT -5
Ryan,
if you address me in your words then it is my right to answer you.
what kind of peace are you talking about? some strong ones sucks the blood of the weak ones and weak ones should stay silent about it,is that the peace are you talking about? or whenever they get bored or becomes without enough materials,they bomb wherever they want with created resons?
you sleep in your warm and quite bed,over here is messy.people has honour,and values.peace can happen whenever certain ones quit killing people.
one civillian's death will bring 4-5 family members' hate.it will continue till the day of judgement.and whenever they sacrifice themselves you call them "terrorists" without even wondering why they did this.
did you say ,"Regardless of who you think is right or wrong" when 9-11 happenned? you felt anger,right?
Ryan,
i am right a bit far away from where all these happening,and i am ready to do my portion if my country decides to be part of it.
i am not really hoping for a war,but only GOD will stop this hypocricy and oppression.that is why i am hoping the end of the world,because some people has nothing more to lose while some people's ass all warm by the results of these oppressions.
i will do my evening prayer in a few minutes,and yes i will pray for the peace if it can happen.but if it is not possible then it is better to face the judgement day than living in a world that some people is oppressed by the stronger ones.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 15, 2006 13:28:27 GMT -5
Isreal has given so much for this peace. Yet this "terrorist" group kidnaps soilders, is isreal supposed to do nothing?
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 13:51:53 GMT -5
Israel should not have killed the civillians with a governmental "terrorism" , or should they? but i remember that some people says that "civillians can be killed to end the wars", to explain the tens of thousands of civillian killings as far as i read from the history.that must be it,but i disagree Ryan.let us wait and see what GOD will tell us about these civillian killings.
so with your understanding you legalise the 9-11 attacks with your own tongue.Israel and others fight eachother,and USA helps to Israel,and the others kills the US civillians?is that normal? to me it is not normal,but to your understanding an attack to military can be punished by killing civillians.what is the difference between this and 9-11?
the ones that you call "terrorist" are called heroes by their nations.to their understanding the governmental killers are the terrorists.the only problem is that people can not do empathy and do not care who is right and who is wrong without fearing the judgement day.
i personally blamed 9-11 attacks as i now blame these civillian killings.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 15, 2006 14:37:05 GMT -5
I dont see a difference in civilian killings and soldier killings they are all human life.
those nations may call these terrorists heros......but we call our soldiers heros.....and we support our troops in fighting for a free america, and we support isreal and their right to defend itself.
in war civilians get killed, it happens.
If the governments did a better job, i mean all governments, if they did a better job protecting their nation, and their people, these civilian killings would be less common.
I dont know what your news channels are saying. but ours pointed out, tho there may be civilian killings on both sides (and there are) Isreal is specificly targeting military targets, were the other guys are just firing off missiles into the cities.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 14:50:45 GMT -5
there is no difference,and they call "terrorists" for who you call heroes.
that is why the day of judgement is necessary,because on that day we all will be informed about it.i really hope that tomorrow is the judgement day if not sooner.
killian civillians by accident and killing civillians by being careless are not the same things,at least for the people with good intention.
the killings of Israel has been continuing forever,at the last incident an attacked happenned to Israeli military,not to the civillians.then Israel started to kill lebanese and palestanian civillians with heavy weapons,and then those people has sent their poor weapons to Israel to make them realise that civillian killings are not the right things.because looks like certain ones can not do empathy without having the same incident on them.
Military targets?that is why over 100 civillians got killed by them while only 10 Israeli died?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 15, 2006 14:58:59 GMT -5
the killings of Israel has been continuing forever,at the last incident an attacked happenned to Israeli military,not to the civillians.then Israel started to kill lebanese and palestanian civillians with heavy weapons,and then those people has sent their poor weapons to Israel to make them realise that civillian killings are not the right things.because looks like certain ones can not do empathy without having the same incident on them. Im not sure i understood what you were saying here
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 15:12:21 GMT -5
Israel is a powerful country because most of the Israeli people loves money very much and they are very rich.so they are also very powerful in USA too,so they control the elections and media with this power.so USA do everything these certain lobbies want.in this way USA has been used by taking the side of Israel no matter if Israel is right or wrong.so those people who gets killed by Israel with the help of USA has hate for both USA and Israel,that is why they attacked the WTC.
when you see these poor people attacks on Israel you hear these news by the media that is owned by the Jews.so you misjudge everything with one sided news.
you think that these people are evil and just want to kill the Israeilis.but most of these people are the people whose family members are killed by the attacks of Israeli military forces,and their lives became meaningless after losing their family members in these terrorist attacks of Israel.as i told you before,more civillian killings = more hate for Israel&USA for those people.
so the kidnapping the soldiers are a reaction of those people,and the re-reaction of Israel is again killing over 100 civillians "till now".then those people has sent bombs back to the land of Israel too,by hoping that Israel can realise that civillians should not have been targeted.
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 15, 2006 15:40:00 GMT -5
I dont see a difference in civilian killings and soldier killings they are all human life. . so in a war,i have a weapon and you have a weapon,and the civillians (including babies,women,disabled,sick and old people) has no weapon.to your understanding soldiers shooting eachother in a war,and soldiers shooting these civillians are the same thing? you are suprising me,really suprising me.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 16, 2006 11:52:46 GMT -5
i meant that in the sense tht soldiers shouldnt be killed either..........but it happens....thats war.
its just dumb to me.
if isreal shot a rocket into another country. 1 man died and his 5 family member got angry...then retaliated...the only way to stop this chain reaction is to forgive.......and ccome to a peace agreement. which isreal has manytimes stuck its neck out for this peace. And USA has pressured themm to push for this peace.
Because if they keep retaliating when isreal wants peace, it will never happen.
and as you and i both know, it will never happen.
USA is not controled by isreal...........many years ago one president asked god what he should do with isreal, and god showed to him and spoke to his heart.....what the scripture says.......pray for the peace of isreal.......bless isreal and you will be blessed.
This is what the bible says.......and you can have all your conspiracy as to the origin and purity of the bible.......or the politics of usa.......NO ONE WANTS TO DIE, NO ONE WANTS WAR.
Isreal has compromised its religous belifs by giving up land to the palestinian people.......in hopes for peace.....as USA pressured them to do so.......then these "TERRORISTS" keeps wanting revenge......Nevermind that ever since then the whole earth has suffered more catastropic natural disaters than ever before.
Katrina, Tsunamia, Earthqauke....etc.
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Post by Matthew Halliday on Jul 16, 2006 16:56:23 GMT -5
Yes it is good and right to pray Ryan keep on
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Post by enginterzi on Jul 17, 2006 1:56:34 GMT -5
yes USA is controlled by Israel and it is very clear to the rest of the world.those people wants revenge because of the "TERRORIST" attacks of Israel.
i do not care about what your scripture says as you do not care about what my scripture says.because of one soldier Israel was the one who wanted revenge and killed over 100 "CIVILLIANS" as always.with your explanation about civillians and soldiers you are trying to legalise civillian killings by Israel.
soldiers are armed people and they are there to fight for their rights.children are not there to fight!
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 17, 2006 5:14:51 GMT -5
engin.......i consider you a friend.........lets drop this discussion.
We do not agree......we wil not agree......lets let it go.
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