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Post by chrislydman on Jun 29, 2007 14:00:06 GMT -5
Some people know
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jun 29, 2007 14:27:13 GMT -5
If I understand what y’all are saying that most men that are masons never reach the highest (Satanic levels) of freemasonry; what is the purpose of having all these lower ranking men doing good deeds? Take a look at the Shriners hospitals. “Shriners Hospitals for Children is a network of 22 pediatric hospitals in the U.S., Canada and Mexico providing specialized care for orthopedic conditions, burns, spinal cord injuries and cleft lip and palate. All services are provided at no charge. Eligibility for care is not based on financial need or relationship to a Shriner." How would something like 22 free children hospitals fit into a satanic cult? I understand, from speaking to my source (Allen, my loving husband, a freemason ) that most of the good deeds the freemasons do, are not advertised. They do not publicly pat themselves on the back; most good deeds are never recognized by the general public. IF there is anything bad going on, and I mean IF, the purpose would likely be to trick good people into it. Then, as time passes, the higher levels assess who is ready for the next level of sensitive information that could collapse the Masons if it got out. In other words, the good works would be a front to attract a larger following. People have egos. We like to advance in organizations. In corporations, some people sacrifice a little of their goodness to climb. If at the highest tiers of Freemasonry, you must accept the idea of being "deified," it's possible that a rising star might be blinded to the evil behind that idea, or worse yet, crave it. Just a possible explanation to a fair question. Nancy, I wish abundant blessings on you, Allen, and your family. Once again, I have no personal knowledge of evil in Freemasonry. I used the link that Allen provided to the resources of the Freemasons. And, as I stated before, I'm trouble by the "deifying science" part. Bob
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Post by BigDaddyJoe™ on Jun 29, 2007 15:42:41 GMT -5
blah blah blah......your religion sucks and mines is better
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Post by Ernie on Jun 29, 2007 20:18:36 GMT -5
Bob is correct. It is a trap to entice "good" men and screen them. At the lower levels it takes their interest away from serving through the church and glorifying God and diverts it to serving through the lodge and bringing glory to the Masonic Order. They say they don't seek recognition but the fact is that they get it and God doesn't.
Remember, Satan doesn't care to go after bad people. He already has them. He wants to entice good people. He can't take you, you must volunteer. That is why "2B1ASK1" is used. Masons don't "recruit" per se, but they "entice" people to inquire.
He doesn't have to make them bad. He simply has to divert their attention from God. He uses pride to do it. People don't like to admit they've been misled. Pride also gives them the "warm fuzzies" for helping people. But if the true intention isn't to glorify God then the work is in vain.
How many times did Satan (Lucifer) say "I will" when describing all the ways he would be "like the Most High"? Pride was his downfall. It is his favorite sin and he uses it to blind people to the Truth. He wants to be worshiped but doesn't care if he isn't as long as he can divert you from worshiping God and Jesus Christ.
Why does the Masonic Order use titles like "Worshipful Master" if it is not a religion? Because the fact is that it IS a religion and is admitted to be in its own publications.
Satan's greatest trick is convincing the world he doesn't exist. If he doesn't exist then neither does hell and you've got nothing to worry about. That's EXACTLY what he wants you to think.
I hope to get time in the near future to put together the post with the pics of text from various Masonic publications I have. You've already seen a few. The real meat of the truth about the Masonic Order is in their own publications that most of them never bother to read.
After I post them most of you will know more of the truth about the Order than most members do.
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Post by Ernie on Jun 29, 2007 23:36:12 GMT -5
Thanks guys for keeping everything civil. Ernie, I consider you to be a friend, so I am trying to read your input as words coming from a friend. It is very disturbing to me to have people I consider friends to say my husband, father and grandfather are members of a Satanic cult. On some level I feel like this is sort of I-am-right-you are-wrong discussion and y'all forget you are telling people they are going to hell or at the least they are a members of a Satanic cult. It is not disturbing in the sense that I believe you, but that you have such an ease of saying it. I am open minded and am willing to read and consider the things you present. When I ask questions, I am being sincere and would only ask that y'all would remember how hard it is to have someone tell you something of the magnitude of what y'all are suggesting as truth. Civil is the only way to have a discussion. You are welcome, Nancy. As for how hard it is to accept, I understand. Most times it is easier to ignore or even disparage the messenger rather than believe and accept the message that contradicts or even destroys what you've been taught all your life. First I will verify the authenticity of the book by showing the title page and a couple pages of the introduction. It verifies the authorization by the Masonic Order and that it is not intended for the public at large. All pertinent material has been highlighted to make it easier for you to find. Keep in mind my earlier post verifying that the author of this book is still revered by the Masons to this day. The book is in every Masonic lodge library and may be checked out or purchased by a lodge member depending on his degree. It used to be given to a Mason upon reaching the 7th (Royal Arch) degree. As I said before, the deception of the initiates is intentional. Rather than type it again I will give it to you from their own book. This one admits it is a religion and some are mislead. This is from the chapter "Master." The following one openly states that "Blue Lodge" initiates are intentionally mislead. They are expected to believe they know the truth. This one also warns that I will "labor in vain" in any attempt to "undeceive" Allen or you. This one states that it is up to each individual to figure it out based on the symbols. It also declares that Masonry is a worship. Every lodge is a "temple" and Masonry is a "religion." One symbol will give you a good start on understanding. It is the star used in the Order of the Eastern Star...the Masonic wives' club. Look at it closely. It is an inverted pentagram known as a "Baphomet" or "goat's-head" star. Google "Baphomet star" and see what you find. In the OES star there are letters in each point. Beginning in the top right point going clockwise we are told they stand for "Fairest Above, The All Loving" but the truth is staring you in the face: F.A.T.A.L. It is a deadly deception. You may be saying, "But they require a belief in God!" but that is not true. Remember my earlier post..."Supreme Being, by whatever name He may be known" is the requirement, not God. If I believe Allen, or even myself, to be a "supreme being" that qualifies. See the image below. Note that they do not question what you believe and urge you to practice your faith. I've spent much more time on this than expected. I'm trying to get some photos done, have a wedding to shoot Saturday, and am going on vacation next week, but I felt it was imperative to get you this information while it was fresh in both of our minds. This is about 1/2 of what I have scanned. I will give you more when I have time and feel you are ready to accept it. I will pray for both of you that your eyes and hearts will be opened to the truth. Blessings, Ernie
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 30, 2007 3:00:35 GMT -5
that star the inverted pentagraam.
in witchraft and the occult symbolism is very importsnt and powerful to them.,.
That symbol is one of the most satanic of symbols. Representing the invoking of demonic spirits.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 30, 2007 3:03:41 GMT -5
Nancy i know whta post your refering to. And i apologize if i wasnt clear before....thaat was just a paste and copy post.
I dont agree with everything in it. my point was to show the different things the different levels go through and need to repent of.
The subject you are refering to is "generational curses" and i dont know enough about that to comment either way....i have heard several preachers preach both sides.....i dont know if i believe that particular doctrine one way or the other.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jun 30, 2007 6:55:42 GMT -5
Ernie, I did not see if you answered Karen's post about ever having been a mason? I may have just missed it...
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Post by Ernie on Jun 30, 2007 9:00:59 GMT -5
Ernie, I did not see if you answered Karen's post about ever having been a mason? I may have just missed it... I did the same thing Allen has done with most of my questions... I deftly danced around it by talking about other things without actually answering the question. I will answer it when Allen or another admitted Mason answers my question about whether or not my excerpts and descriptions of the Master Mason's oath are accurate or not. It's a simple "yes" or "no" question. Bill, I'll give you this much: All of the documents I've scanned and posted are only available to Masons. Did I answer Karen's question? Good dance, wasn't it?
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Post by Bill Maenza on Jun 30, 2007 9:28:01 GMT -5
Ernie, I did not see if you answered Karen's post about ever having been a mason? I may have just missed it... I did the same thing Allen has done with most of my questions... I deftly danced around it by talking about other things without actually answering the question. I will answer it when Allen or another admitted Mason answers my question about whether or not my excerpts and descriptions of the Master Mason's oath are accurate or not. It's a simple "yes" or "no" question. Bill, I'll give you this much: All of the documents I've scanned and posted are only available to Masons. Did I answer Karen's question? Good dance, wasn't it? Ernie, I can accept your *dance* ...for now
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 30, 2007 10:57:46 GMT -5
What some "masons" dont realize. is i have asked particular questions to other mason and have gotten different responses.
I use to work with a bunch of mason and klan members. And due to my curiousity and intrest. i poked at them with questions. I learned a "handshake" and confirmed that there are secret words that we "dont need to talk about"......then i go to another mason and ask him the same questions and he denys knowing anything.
Id rather you tell me you cant talk about something than to straight up deny it. thats the difference between not talking, and lying
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 30, 2007 10:59:26 GMT -5
one thing those klansmen i spoke to would never tell me is...why does 2+2 not always equal 4 it bugs me.......all i know is it has something to do with an oak tree and a rope
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jun 30, 2007 12:55:49 GMT -5
Ernie: If i read your post right, the "dogma" book can only be bought by a Mamber? Because I found it all over the internet...Unless I read you post wrong, if so sorry, about that.....
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Post by STEVE PHIPPS on Jun 30, 2007 13:54:43 GMT -5
Ryan, Nice to know that you haven't Damned me. But I am concerned about your round-a-bout statement that I need to repent before I die to keep from being Damned! My faith in Christ is strong enough to take care of me...so don't worry yourself! We took this conversation off line last year...and it ended with you not being able to answer my various questions on theology...after I had answered many of your questions. I had hoped I had shown that my faith is based on scripture and is a positive thing...compared to your feelings based on....I'm still not sure. But I again point out the difference between being positive in a person's belief and it being a good thing...compared to being negative and trying to build yourself up by attemping to bring others down. Please grow up and focus your energy toward something positive. You will be much happier for it, in the long run. You might even attract some positive interest in Christ...compared to your extremest negative views you are now know for.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 30, 2007 14:36:11 GMT -5
unless your faith is soley place in christ and what he did then its in the wrong place....if thats where it is then great..... We all need to live a life of repentance....it is our own sin that will damn us if not covered in the blood.
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