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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 17:27:53 GMT -5
Grippler.
I would defenitly go.
Dont do anything your not comfortable with...but learn as much about it as you can.
If they tell you you must speak in toungues to be saved....look around and you might find that they all wear long dress and dont cut their hair, and often are obese (sp?)
If they tell you that...take it with a grain of salt. and stay, but learn.
Its all about learning man, let the lord guide you in truth and you will find that truth.
If you look up in worship service and find that everyone around you is speaking in toungues....and find yourself confused and maybe a lil freaked out. Ill tell you what my mom first told me, though she still has never recived the gift. I looked up and saw my aunt and the rest of the church praying in toungues.....i was 11 or 12 yrs old, so iwas kinda blown away. I thought the lord was coming back THAT DAY!!...lol....i looked up at my mom and she says "your aunt kay is a good woman Ryan".....so i just took it and put that on a shelf, i didnt dismiss it for fear. I just set it aside untill i learned more.
not long after i asked the spirit to consume me in his presence, and i didnt know what was going on. But i recieved that gift. But i didnt understand it till years later. I dodnt remember if i spoke in toungues that day but i couldnt stop weeping. And even my mom didnt understand it, but that day God transformed me in a mighty way.
I encourage all regardless of your faith....where you are...isnt where you stop.....where you are isnt the limit of your relationship with God.
I encourage all of you/us to pursue that relationship....to ask God to consume you in his presence
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 19:00:16 GMT -5
So people is it wise for me as a Baptist to go ahead and attend the Pentecostal church I'm not interested in joining any kind of fanatical society. point me in the right direction Friends my children have not attended church regularly yet. My fault! Being a Baptist, you are probably going to have a hard time with the idea of walking into a Catholic Church. Just being in close proximity to the Blessed Sacrament (Jesus) will change you. The first half of the Mass is the liturgy of the Word. The second half is the liturgy of the Eucharist. If you have a love for scripture, your heart will burn with the fire of love to know that the Catholic Mass is the pinnacle of worship. You are worshiping Jesus who is actually present, body, blood, soul, and divinity. Not being able to receive Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament should not deter you. Just being in the Church will affect your life. Not being able to receive simply means that you are not Catholic. I have personal knowledge of many Protestant intellects converting to Catholicism because they went to 1 Mass. Their hearts burned for more. Everything they had always searched for with regards to truth and true worship, they had found. Being taught for so many years to "stay away" from the Catholic Church made them cautious. Some of them were Ph D's in theology to give you an idea. Some only had Masters degrees. Because they could go to a daily Mass, they went with their notebooks and Bibles, being as skeptical as you can imagine. The more they went, the more the truth unfolded before them. Some converted with their entire families. Some converted first, just to have their wives follow within a year or so (one particularly anti- Catholic wife took over 10 years to convert) Some of the Protestant intellects were Pastors. Some were men and some were woman. Because not all the Pastors that converted were called to the Priesthood, they had a tough choice to make. They were well paid Pastors. They had to take serious pay cuts to start a new career. The love of the Blessed Sacrament made most of these Pastor converts agree that they would do manual labor jobs if they had to for the love of Jesus. Every time I listen to these men and women, tears flow down my face. Cradle Catholics quite often do not know what they have. These Pastor converts know Catholicism more than most Catholics. They know what they have. Some searched for 20- 30 years to find the Truth. Most of them said that they would NEVER walk into a Catholic Church. They had to swallow their pride to find the Truth. You are a professional level strong man Grippler. You should have the courage. God bless, Bob
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 19:04:01 GMT -5
thats canabalism....
God bless
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 19:05:22 GMT -5
I grew up in a baptist church....then i started going to full gospel/pentacostal churchs.
And i have been to several catholic church and felt the presence of satan...strongly...in all honesty
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 20:01:35 GMT -5
!! Now Ryan, Bob, I had to talk to my Nan before answearing these posts. I read them to her and she say's it's nice that you as Christians are doing your job in spreading the word of Jesus Christ. How ever she is concearned of they way in which it was given. She say the goal is the loard. Not trying to show up the others religion. Like no he's Wroung com here with us. No were better come with us. My family is not Chatholic However she would not go a far to say she felt the presance of Satan. "I feel Ryan even if that were true it proably need not be said. what would you have Bob reply??" War's have started this way. I'll refer to my post where I mentioned that this is NorthAmerica not Northern Ireland. Bob I think The only argument against Chatholism is that Why Should I prey to the Secretary When I can talk to the C.E.O. Now I mean no disrespect. I will take your strength challenge because pride is one of my faults as a person. I will attend Mass at the local Chatholic Church and see for myself if I have a similar experence as Ryan. I doubt that very much but I do have an open mind Grippler Out!
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 20:10:59 GMT -5
I grew up in a baptist church....then i started going to full gospel/pentacostal churchs. And i have been to several catholic church and felt the presence of satan...strongly...in all honesty Honestly Ryan, you can't possibly be spiritually healthy. Sorry for having to say that. I think your soul is full of pride. You are full of yourself, blinded by your pride. I'm truly sorry for you. I enjoyed what you had to say about praying in tongues. Unfortunately, now I know that everything you say is worthless. I've been to Pentecostal churches and Baptist churches. What I felt was a good bunch of people striving for holiness in the best manner they could. "Where 2 or more are gathered in my name, I will be there." I only felt a good presence. Reading your writings Ryan, is where I feel true evil. I guess Christians in this area are more ecumenical. They don't teach that anti-Catholic stuff around here. Another thing I have found about you Ryan. You have trouble with simple concepts of logic and language, including simple grammar and retention. Read the Gospels, love God, but leave the explaining to the people who are qualified. If that hurts, it's said out of love. You have dangerous pride. Your spiritual gifts might not come from God at all. They may be from the evil one. You should be VERY careful. Get on your knees and start REAL prayer. Ask God for help. I'm bashing your pride Ryan, not you or your church. If your church teaches anti-Catholicism, run for your eternal life. The Catholic Church does not teach anti Protestantism...It simply teaches the truth. The 25,000-35,000 Protestant denominations in this country alone accepts part, but not all of the truth. It's up to the individual Pastors to teach what they want. This isn't an arm wrestling match or egotistical argument Ryan. This is a matter of souls getting lost. We really have to be careful about saying stupid things. You have probably made a few people run from religion with that kind of talk. I am a brother in Christ to all brothers in Christ. Anyone who calls the Catholic Church evil, is not a brother in Christ, but a true minion of the evil one, even if unwittingly. Many Protestant churches are good, but the Protestant Pastors that teach anti- Catholicism are truly evil. You should not let them near your children. We'll end up like Iraq where Muslim hates Muslim on the basis of Sunni vs. Shiite(sp). Or even worse, Northern Ireland where Christians kill Christians. That starts with arrogant people like you Ryan. Even if you worship the devil Ryan, Jesus compels me to pray for your conversion. If you continue to spread anti- Catholicism, you are not going to have a happy death. If you want to be Protestant, that's OK. But be a loving and understanding one. I've gotten Private Messages with people calling you a "jerk," "pompous ass," and "stubborn." Is that what you want to be as a representative of Christianity? I only wish the best for you and your family. My intentions for you are only love, even if I sound harsh. But you needed to hear what people are thinking as you bash them or their religions. Read the Who is God thread from pages 25 on. Read carefully, without your preconceived notions to bother your retention. Search for the facts and listen. Do not "speak" while reading. You may be surprised when your heart opens up to truth. I don't know if you are capable yet. Just remember, no damage is irreversible for God. Bob
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 20:17:46 GMT -5
!! Now Ryan, Bob, I had to talk to my Nan before answearing these posts. I read them to her and she say's it's nice that you as Christians are doing your job in spreading the word of Jesus Christ. How ever she is concearned of they way in which it was given. She say the goal is the loard. Not trying to show up the others religion. Like no he's Wroung com here with us. No were better come with us. My family is not Chatholic However she would not go a far to say she felt the presance of Satan. "I feel Ryan even if that were true it proably need not be said. what would you have Bob reply??" War's have started this way. I'll refer to my post where I mentioned that this is NorthAmerica not Northern Ireland. Bob I think The only argument against Chatholism is that Why Should I prey to the Secretary When I can talk to the C.E.O. Now I mean no disrespect. I will take your strength challenge because pride is one of my faults as a person. I will attend Mass at the local Chatholic Church and see for myself if I have a similar experence as Ryan. I doubt that very much but I do have an open mind Grippler Out! Overall, well said Grippler. Just one thing...I though Jesus was the CEO!!! ???I guess I just don't know what you mean by that . Who is the secratary? This is an edit: I get it. You mean praying to the saints for intercession. That's just personal. 99% of my personal prayer is directly to the Holy Trinity. The rest to saints who have made incredible sacrifices of their lives to Jesus. They are role models. God bless, Bob
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 20:21:19 GMT -5
Well that's how Bob Replied back
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 20:22:40 GMT -5
that's what I meant the Secretary is Mary the CEO is jesus
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 20:38:02 GMT -5
that's what I meant the Secretary is Mary the CEO is jesus I finally got it. 99% of my prayers are directly to the Holy Trinity. The rest to the men and women who have made incredible sacrifices of their entire lives to Jesus. If you never pray to a saint for intercession, that's OK. It's personal. Some people have strong devotions to Saint Joseph because he was part of the Holy Family. Some men pray to Saint Joseph to ask Jesus for the grace to be a good father. Most of us men already ask Jesus directly for that grace. But I like to ask Saint Joseph to ask for me also, as an eternal friend of Jesus and me. I believe it helps. When you pray to a saint for intercession, Jesus knows that you know that only He is God. If you were to pray to a saint as if he or she were a god, you would have a HUGE problem. THAT would be idolatry.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 20:49:14 GMT -5
look guys...i wasnt trying to be mean or disrespectful...just honest.
Grippler.....what is your name? i dont like calling you grippler...lol
i doubt you will experience what i felt. ....and granted the way i worded that may have come off a little strong but i dont know how to say it any other way.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jul 4, 2007 20:56:24 GMT -5
One thing that bothers me is who desides who is classified as a saint
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 21:00:25 GMT -5
Ryan! My name is "the Grippler" just kiding Ian Carnegie. But you know i used a nick name on purpose. people forget names like Ian Bob and Ryan. But they remember The Hulk or Superman. I'm just trying to hang with my peers Ian Out!
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Post by Brittany Bordelon on Jul 4, 2007 21:01:44 GMT -5
I consider myself to be "non-denominational" or "full gospel." My father was Catholic and my mother was Baptist. When they married, they searched for somewhere they felt they could worship together. They were both unhappy with their spiritual upbringing and were forced to attend where their parents did. They finally agreed on a non-denominational church and have been planted there for many years. When my father's mother died, I had my first experience with the Catholic church. At her funeral, the traditional mass was performed. I can understand where Ryan is coming from when he made that statement. Although I didn't necessarily "feel the presence of Satan," my spirit was grieved so much that I became sick to my stomach. My entire body was shaking as if I were having convulsions (sp?) or something of the sort. It truly scared me and I had to leave my own grandmother's funeral. I began to feel that way during the rosary in which everyone was chanting "Holy Mary, Mother of God..."
I do agree that some Protestants do convert to Catholicism... there is no disputing that. But there are also quite a bit of Catholics converting to other things when they find errors in their doctrine. I am not referring to anything in particular, for I admit that I do not know much about the Catholic church. I only know that I have several friends and family members who were once Catholic that claim certain things about the teachings. Again, no particulars.
I know that it is hard to understand Ryan's passion on a message board. It may come off as prideful, arrogant, and so forth, but I know that Ryan seeks after the Lord with his whole heart. I know Ryan personally, where most of you do not, and his desire is not lift up his denomination or church affiliation, but to lift up the name of Jesus. I am sure he will take these comments to heart and maybe change the way he speaks(posts). The last thing he wants to do is turn people away from Jesus. I know that would absolutely break his heart. Ryan is humble enough to admit fault when necessary and he is not so prideful as to turn a deaf ear to what you all are saying.
God bless, Brittany
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 21:06:41 GMT -5
[ The Catholic Church does not teach anti Protestantism...It simply teaches the truth. A Christian outside the Catholic faith is a fish out of water...struggling to find truth, trying really hard to survive as a Christian with all the conflicting viewpoints. these two comments dont line up
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