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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 21:10:54 GMT -5
Forgive me bob....if i respond aggrovated....i am not responding to you. it is simply the devil who has decieved you. and the deception comes from satan.
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 21:13:32 GMT -5
And now I will go in the back yard and start sharpining some spears and get my shield out the Barn. I feel a war comming
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jul 4, 2007 21:15:49 GMT -5
Ive only been in a catholic church a few times but it seemed like it was more of a ritual than a church service to me.I didnt feel the holy spirit there either in my few visits and alot of the catholics ive known seemed cold like they where missing something.
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 21:25:25 GMT -5
I would like to point out the biggest flaw that religon has. From an outsiders point of view. You take 2 guy's Bob and Ryan both with strong faith both willing to share both egar to sread the word Things wre going well between The 2 when something was said the other disagreed with. And like that the relationship seemingly severd and the other trying to discredit the other. You are Both at fault with this one. I never asked which religion was better.I simply asked if the one i was going to go to was a fanaticle cult like faith. Then it happened the topic change and the fundemental differences came to the surface. Now an outsider looking in! what do you think he's thinking? this is where the root of all evil is. Imagine the both of you in positin of power. would this turn into a battle? Be freinds except our differences because the worlds a big place and your bound to find some different from you Grippler out!
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 21:30:27 GMT -5
[ The Catholic Church does not teach anti Protestantism...It simply teaches the truth. A Christian outside the Catholic faith is a fish out of water...struggling to find truth, trying really hard to survive as a Christian with all the conflicting viewpoints. these two comments dont line up The second statement was my own observation. The first statement is the truth. The Catholic Church teaches truth only, not anti- Protestantism. Brittany, Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Read the first few chapters of Luke. Jesus is God. Mary is the Mother of God. "Mother" does not mean Creator. Your sickness at your grandmother's funeral was psychologically complicated. I can't go into it here. Sooooo.....The Holy Trinity is the Creator of the Mother of God. The Trinity created Mary. She was impregnated by the Holy Spirit. The soul of Jesus was placed in her body. She gave birth to Jesus. She is the Mother of God. God is the creator of His mother. What part of this is God not able to achieve? Read the entire first chapter of Luke. Can you please do that before responding. The entire Hail Mary is in there. Brittany, please respond to this, but only after reading Chapter 1 of Luke, slowly and completely. Love, Bob
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 21:32:45 GMT -5
i accept the differences Ian.
I was pouring out my heart with true honest beliefs and advice that you requested.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 21:36:27 GMT -5
Then bob said this...... Just being in close proximity to the Blessed Sacrament (Jesus) will change you. The first half of the Mass is the liturgy of the Word. The second half is the liturgy of the Eucharist. If you have a love for scripture, your heart will burn with the fire of love to know that the Catholic Mass is the pinnacle of worship. You are worshiping Jesus who is actually present, body, blood, soul, and divinity. Not being able to receive Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament should not deter you. Just being in the Church will affect your life. Not being able to receive simply means that you are not Catholic. That...is canabalism. And i find that to be deception from satan. And highly insulting as a christian. To say that you cannot recive christ because you are not catholic
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Post by Ian "The Grippler" Carnegie on Jul 4, 2007 21:40:18 GMT -5
I appreciate the help Ryan and your hart filled honest beliefs. it's everything eles that these post back and forth are leading to. Do you think this thread is going to end well?
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 21:44:39 GMT -5
i understand what your saying....but bill said it best.... Thanks for the heads up Brittany. Ryan does not seem to have mastered dodging yet God bless
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Post by Brittany Bordelon on Jul 4, 2007 22:09:03 GMT -5
Bob, I said that my grandmother's funeral was my first encounter with the Catholic church. It hasn't been my only. My spirit was grieved during the repetition of the prayer to Mary. It was honestly one of the most uneasy feelings that I have ever had. Here is what I have taken from my reading of Luke 1: Verse 26-27: "And in the sixth month the Angel Gabriel was sent from GOD unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the Virgin's name was Mary." If God sent an angel to Mary, then God was obviously here before Mary. Therefore, how can she be the Mother of GOD? Verse 28: "And the Angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, you are highly favoured (means "much engraced," not "full of grace," as the Catholic Church teaches, but one who, herself meritless, had received signal Grace from God), the Lord is with you (signals her position of humility): blessed are you among women (does not say "above women," as the Catholics teach; however, she definitely was much blessed). Verse 35: "And the Angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God." The Son of God. I do understand the concept of the Trinity and believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit work together as one. But God was here before the foundation of the world. Verse 46-47: "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour." (This disproves the theory of the "Immaculate Conception," or the total absence of original sin in Mary; God was her Saviour, so she must have been a sinner, in order to be saved; the Scripture says, "all have sinned" (Romans 3:23). Thanks for the extra homework. I enjoyed that much more than my current assignment of writing a paper about the Hollinger International scheme for my accounting course.
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Post by Brittany Bordelon on Jul 4, 2007 22:12:56 GMT -5
Nowhere in the entire chapter did I find the necessity or command to call out to Mary repeatedly. I am grateful for her obedience to God though.
I agree with Robert when he says he feels that the Catholic church is very ritualistic. Again, I don't know much about it... just another "outsider" perspective I guess. Not meaning to stir up trouble at all.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 22:21:11 GMT -5
Thats exactly Right Bree.
Jesus IS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD
But Mary gave birth to a man who was God.
Not God who was a man
The concept of the woman and son....came from babylon and was adapted by the catholic church when constantine formed it.
Constaantine made "christianity" the national religion....aand in order to own land you had to be a christian.
So you would have people of all religions claim to be christian. thats why the catholic church has soo many different things in it that originate from heathen religions.
The rosary beads stem from islam or hinduism, unsure.
The mother and son stem from the occults of babylon.
Almost any cult....you can findd its origin at babylon
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 4, 2007 22:27:09 GMT -5
Then bob said this...... Just being in close proximity to the Blessed Sacrament (Jesus) will change you. The first half of the Mass is the liturgy of the Word. The second half is the liturgy of the Eucharist. If you have a love for scripture, your heart will burn with the fire of love to know that the Catholic Mass is the pinnacle of worship. You are worshiping Jesus who is actually present, body, blood, soul, and divinity. Not being able to receive Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament should not deter you. Just being in the Church will affect your life. Not being able to receive simply means that you are not Catholic. That...is canabalism. And i find that to be deception from satan. And highly insulting as a christian. To say that you cannot recive christ because you are not catholic Read John 6:22-71. Ryan, you can do your explaining to Jesus....why don't you just ask for forgiveness. Jesus says what He says. John Chapter 6: 22-71 is not a parable nor is it allegorical. Cannibalism deals with eating human flesh. Jesus is no longer human. He gives us the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus, our God, for our Spiritual nourishment. John 6:53 Jesus said to them, Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. John 6:54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. John 6:55 For my flesh is true food and my blood is true drink. John 6:56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and and I in him. John 6:57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. Every time I read this, my soul fills with indescribable joy. Jesus said "My Flesh," not a symbol of my flesh. Jesus said, "MY Blood," not a symbol of my blood. At the consecration, the Holy Spirit comes over the man made gifts of bread and wine and transubstantiates them into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus. That is what He was crucified for: that we may have life through Him. For those or you who may have studied philosophy, only the accidents of bread and wine remain. The substance of the Eucharist is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus. By the way, this is how we are "washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb." You see, this is not anti-Protestant, but if you've been taught something different you have been taught anti-Truth. Anything opposing what you have read here, or in John Chapter 6, is in opposition to Truth(Jesus) Since Satan wants our souls, you can see why he would want to keep us from the Blessed Sacrament. The arrogant, proud, stubborn ones will start screaming bloody murder immediately. The intelligent, quite, contemplative people will read the Gospel carefully and reflect intelligently. I already know what the arrogant idiots are going to say. Been there and done that a million times. Every hundred or so times I've got to endure the rubbish of arrogance, a soul quietly comes to the truth. We are all works of God and I have no personal stake. May God Bless Us All and Lead Us To His Light, Bob
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 22:31:16 GMT -5
Cannibalism deals with eating human flesh. Jesus is no longer human. He gives us the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus, our God, for our Spiritual nourishment. the doctrien of transubstantiation teaches that deep within its moleculor structure it becomes the flesh of Christ.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 4, 2007 22:35:08 GMT -5
Jesus says what He says. John Chapter 6: 22-71 is not a parable nor is it allegorical. i thought you said you and i arent quailified to interpret scripture?
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