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Jul 31, 2012 15:41:40 GMT -5
Post by David Owens on Jul 31, 2012 15:41:40 GMT -5
If toprollers are "weak" how do they ever win? If the toproller has the strogest hand and wrist, but has "no bicep", how is it the toproller doesn't get pinned? I know everyone pulls different, but is it not the bicep that keeps the arm from being completely opened up and pinned? "The strap tells no lies". You have to look at it from the perspective of a weak wristed hooker with sissy hands and you will see its just not fair to them, they are so strong that it's only right for them to be able to start at an angle and with no load what so ever so they can quickly get you into the only power they have because you are so weak! ;D
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Jul 31, 2012 15:43:46 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 31, 2012 15:43:46 GMT -5
If toprollers are "weak" how do they ever win? If the toproller has the strogest hand and wrist, but has "no bicep", how is it the toproller doesn't get pinned? I know everyone pulls different, but is it not the bicep that keeps the arm from being completely opened up and pinned? "The strap tells no lies". Toppers R WEAk AND WIN against WEAKER Pullers.. Why dont all you LITTLE Toppers go to WAFS and see how you do against those WEAK HAND AND WRIST European pullers.. Yep, Rustam (etc, etc, etc) has a weak wrist. So only TOPPERS have strong hands and wrists? OK OH, and the strongest?...ok I forgot that, stupid me NO NOT just the bicep. but then again, what do I know.. REALLY? STRAPS TELL NO LIES? YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE? WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE$HIT!...
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Jul 31, 2012 16:05:50 GMT -5
Post by David Owens on Jul 31, 2012 16:05:50 GMT -5
Learn how to take a joke Christian ;D besides you think everyone is weak so I'd say your meter is broken!
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Jul 31, 2012 17:52:03 GMT -5
Post by Mike West on Jul 31, 2012 17:52:03 GMT -5
Get'em Christian
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Jul 31, 2012 18:20:46 GMT -5
Post by Hungry Hippo on Jul 31, 2012 18:20:46 GMT -5
Devon left is stronger than Christian...thats all
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Jul 31, 2012 18:43:45 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Jul 31, 2012 18:43:45 GMT -5
I've trained to toproll for more than 8 years and it got good but, my hook was stronger. I just couldn't or wasn't able to do an offensive hook. Now I can . Top rolling may be a good way to "get around" someone's power but, if that's all you can do, you're F'd. The hook is the stronger move period. As Christian so gracefully pointed out, which of our toprollers have done worth a damn at WAF recently? The few that have metaled from the US recently have all be hookers if memory serves me right. Hug a Hooker =D
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Jul 31, 2012 19:46:57 GMT -5
Post by David Owens on Jul 31, 2012 19:46:57 GMT -5
I've trained to toproll for more than 8 years and it got good but, my hook was stronger. I just couldn't or wasn't able to do an offensive hook. Now I can . Top rolling may be a good way to "get around" someone's power but, if that's all you can do, you're F'd. The hook is the stronger move period. As Christian so gracefully pointed out, which of our toprollers have done worth a damn at WAF recently? The few that have metaled from the US recently have all be hookers if memory serves me right. Hug a Hooker =D The fact that there are so many successful top rollers in the us must speak volumes about the quality of our hookers ........right?
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Jul 31, 2012 19:57:24 GMT -5
Post by John Milne on Jul 31, 2012 19:57:24 GMT -5
Devon left is stronger than Christian...thats all this
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Jul 31, 2012 22:13:29 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Jul 31, 2012 22:13:29 GMT -5
Toprolling at WAF Worlds opens up more questions than answers.
Toprollers can dominate in North America, in large part, because our tables allow it. Just watch how fast and agressive pulling in North America is, then compare that to the slow and methodical pulling done by the Europeans. You can't do on a WAF table what you can do on the tables we use.
BUT, that slow and methodical hook they do over there is a much stronger move in the long run. I believe that. They are all good at it because it's all they do. It's all the damned tables allow you to do. Sooner or later you get really good at it, and it's a hard move to beat.
Still, I think the day that all pullers use the Eastern European style is the day our sport dies forever. The only place that sport could ever exist is in a WAF event. I'd rather watch paint dry.
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Jul 31, 2012 23:43:40 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Jul 31, 2012 23:43:40 GMT -5
I've trained to toproll for more than 8 years and it got good but, my hook was stronger. I just couldn't or wasn't able to do an offensive hook. Now I can . Top rolling may be a good way to "get around" someone's power but, if that's all you can do, you're F'd. The hook is the stronger move period. As Christian so gracefully pointed out, which of our toprollers have done worth a damn at WAF recently? The few that have metaled from the US recently have all be hookers if memory serves me right. Hug a Hooker =D The fact that there are so many successful top rollers in the us must speak volumes about the quality of our hookers ........right? Depends on what one calls "successful." My point is that toprolling will only take you so far if you're not strong in a hook. Grab a pulley and compare the amount of weight you move with a toproll move compared to hooking. You'll see a BIG difference. Toprolling is a weaker move but, if you can get there it can give some leverage against another puller (as I said using weaker muscles to get around someone's power.) I guess I'm just excited about finally having an offensive hook and expressing my thoughts on it. Again, look at our few pullers who've metaled at WAF recently (within the last 8 years) if I'm correct, all are hookers. John, I thought our tables are based on WAF specs and have been for a long time now? Janis Amolins, Pascal, and a couple other Europeans are toprollers that are very successful at WAF. The common denominator is that they're far from weak. I guess my whole point is Arm Wrestling is a strength (power) sport. To do your best, get strong and technical not just technical.
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Aug 1, 2012 0:36:09 GMT -5
Post by David Owens on Aug 1, 2012 0:36:09 GMT -5
The fact that there are so many successful top rollers in the us must speak volumes about the quality of our hookers ........right? Depends on what one calls "successful." My point is that toprolling will only take you so far if you're not strong in a hook. Grab a pulley and compare the amount of weight you move with a toproll move compared to hooking. You'll see a BIG difference. Toprolling is a weaker move but, if you can get there it can give some leverage against another puller (as I said using weaker muscles to get around someone's power.) I guess I'm just excited about finally having an offensive hook and expressing my thoughts on it. Again, look at our few pullers who've metaled at WAF recently (within the last 8 years) if I'm correct, all are hookers. John, I thought our tables are based on WAF specs and have been for a long time now? Janis Amolins, Pascal, and a couple other Europeans are toprollers that are very successful at WAF. The common denominator is that they're far from weak. I guess my whole point is Arm Wrestling is a strength (power) sport. To do your best, get strong and technical not just technical. Tim Bresnan = top roll every puller under Tim = just weak some might say Tim is Successful
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Aug 1, 2012 0:44:09 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Aug 1, 2012 0:44:09 GMT -5
Very good point! I'm a huge fan of Tim's for sure but, I bet Tim can move more weight on a pulley by hooking then toprolling. I'm not saying a toproll is never a good move, just the weaker choice. For me that is...
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Aug 1, 2012 1:22:40 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Aug 1, 2012 1:22:40 GMT -5
John, I thought our tables are based on WAF specs and have been for a long time now? Janis Amolins, Pascal, and a couple other Europeans are toprollers that are very successful at WAF. The common denominator is that they're far from weak. I guess my whole point is Arm Wrestling is a strength (power) sport. To do your best, get strong and technical not just technical. The dimensional specs are the same. The huge difference is that the elbow pads are not even similar- either in construction or in the way you use them. WAF elbow pads (Igor's pads) are a block of wood wrapped in vinyl. That's not just how they feel- that is exactly how they are made. There is some paper thin piece of material which keeps the wooden block from cutting through the vinyl wrapping, but there is no pad the way we understand padding in North America. The result of this construction is that the WAF pad is a solid, hard, SLICK pad with zero rebound. You just can't hit fast. You will foul. You cannot attack the way we do in NA. Any drag must be done in a controlled, deliberate manner- all focused on keeping your elbow down. Forget shooting your elbow to get hand position. That's suicide by elbow foul. Pascal and Janis are great examples. Yes- they toproll. But they do not toproll the way most Americans / Canadians imagine a toproll. (Those who haven't been to Worlds.) There's no lightning fast, outside blast with a ridiculous hit to the side. Any speed is done in the hand and the elbow does not move a whole lot. I'm sorry, but WAF Worlds style pulling sucks. And it's all because of the stupid elbow pads. They most certainly do change the way you pull unless you are already a slow, deliberate hooker. *And I totally agree with your last statement. This is a strength sport. But excitement comes from action. Watching a WAF Worlds for four days is enough to make you contemplate jumping off a bridge. Ten hours a day of watching people lay into a sprawled out hook is enough to make you want to take a hostage.
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Aug 1, 2012 8:26:32 GMT -5
Post by Anthony Snook on Aug 1, 2012 8:26:32 GMT -5
If top rollers are "weak" how do they ever win? If the top roller has the strongest hand and wrist, but has "no bicep", how is it the top roller doesn't get pinned? I know everyone pulls different, but is it not the bicep that keeps the arm from being completely opened up and pinned? "The strap tells no lies". Toppers R WEAk AND WIN against WEAKER Pullers.. Why dont all you LITTLE Toppers go to WAFS and see how you do against those WEAK HAND AND WRIST European pullers.. Yep, Rustam (etc, etc, etc) has a weak wrist. So only TOPPERS have strong hands and wrists? OK OH, and the strongest?...ok I forgot that, stupid me NO NOT just the bicep. but then again, what do I know.. REALLY? STRAPS TELL NO LIES? YOU REALLY WANT TO GO THERE? WHAT A LOAD OF HORSE$HIT!... Mr. Binnie, I had replies but I'm just gonna say OK for the most part, and save my breath. I will never convince you that top rollers (the ones on the higher end of the food chain..) may not all be pansy weak school girls, and you will never convince me that all the hookers are big bad strong men. But if you want to clarify on the strap, I and I'm sure others are all ears.. David, save you're breath.
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Aug 1, 2012 8:47:02 GMT -5
Post by Hungry Hippo on Aug 1, 2012 8:47:02 GMT -5
Toprollers have less injuries...how many times do you hear a topproller having injuries compared to a hooker or presser...come on people
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