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Aug 1, 2012 21:34:25 GMT -5
Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 1, 2012 21:34:25 GMT -5
no
some of us are capable of doing either so i wouldnt say that
every pull is diff IMO
some of us just get borred and feel like doing something diff depending on who we are pulling ;D
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Aug 1, 2012 22:24:15 GMT -5
Post by Bilevicius Rimvydas on Aug 1, 2012 22:24:15 GMT -5
bullcrap... John Wilson very good posts.. Hook wars r far more exciting then taking a min to grip up, slip, re grip, slip, straps, refs grips etc, etc, etc...y the "sport" died..TAKES FOR EVER Toppers r "fast" in other words go b4 "go", CHEAT Toppers "slip" on purpose ESP to HOOKERS, because? Hookers r stronger, and will win. So y go in straps then? BECAUSE of the "advantages" in the straps. What r 'advantages"? CHEATING, cause you can't win any other way.... "taking someones hand", doesnt make you STRONGER...... TOPPERS R THE ONES "USUALLY" bitchING THAT THEY HAVE TO PULL SOMEONE 10-20LBS HEAVIER THEN THEM. TOPPERS ARE THE ONES bitchING IF A MEET HAS ONLY A FEW CLASSES CAUSE THEY CANT COMPETE..... "WAH WAH WAH Y ITS NOT FAIR HAVING A MEET WITH ONLY A 154, 198 220 AND SUPERS CLASS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE?" " i am 165lbs where do i compete, WAH WAH WAH LMAO
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Aug 1, 2012 22:29:20 GMT -5
Post by Hungry Hippo on Aug 1, 2012 22:29:20 GMT -5
Toproll is more technical....hook is less
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Aug 1, 2012 23:52:27 GMT -5
Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 1, 2012 23:52:27 GMT -5
After ten pages the only thing I have learned is the "A1" is good on a steak. You guys should try it sometime.
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Aug 2, 2012 0:01:29 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Aug 2, 2012 0:01:29 GMT -5
"When the student is ready, the teacher appears" =D
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Aug 2, 2012 1:23:32 GMT -5
Post by Robert Bishop on Aug 2, 2012 1:23:32 GMT -5
After ten pages the only thing I have learned is the "A1" is good on a steak. You guys should try it sometime. lol best answer yet
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Aug 2, 2012 9:34:55 GMT -5
Post by Duke Sarkisian on Aug 2, 2012 9:34:55 GMT -5
gonna hafta agree on the A1 sauce thing...
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Aug 2, 2012 9:53:03 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Aug 2, 2012 9:53:03 GMT -5
But, if you need A1 on your steak, something went wrong with the steak!
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Aug 2, 2012 14:07:28 GMT -5
Post by Alper Cosar on Aug 2, 2012 14:07:28 GMT -5
If we are talking about a slower pull to see who is truly stronger at the table then both techniques require strength over the other arm. on ready go s the slower reaction needs to be stronger to turn it back around. not sure which one is faster hooking or troll. Also there is a lot of side pressure mized up with both of these so we are not talking a pure hook vs tr comparison Im assuming. I think bottomline it is coming down to Aw power on the table. I can do all techniques 100% efficiently but if I am not stronger It does not mean anything. You have to be STRONG. What is Aw? if hookers say trollers are cheating then sidepressurers can say same thing for hookers and technically debating they may be right.
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Aug 2, 2012 14:50:47 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Aug 2, 2012 14:50:47 GMT -5
When I first got into armwrestling, I thought toprolling was technical and hooking was just raw, brute strength. I thought the hook was cro-magnon armwrestling. Now I realize that back then I just didn't know anything about hooking.
The stronger you are, the more you can get away with poor technique. Sheer physicality presents a lot of trouble to opponents. You see a lot of big, dumb hookers but that's the puller- not the move. I found it much easier to learn the toproll than to learn how to hook properly. That's just me.
I will go to my grave saying that it takes a GREAT toproll to beat just a GOOD hook. I think you have to be stronger in the toproll than the hooker is in the hook to make it work if the hooker knows what he is doing. The hook, in my opinion, is the safer move because when you get stopped you should still be in a good position.
I think to put down either move just shows that someone doesn't understand the other move as well as they think they do. They are tools in an armwrestler's toolbox. Both have their uses and there are times when one move is definitely a better choice over the other, but the effectiveness of either move says more about the puller than it does the move.
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Aug 2, 2012 17:16:42 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 2, 2012 17:16:42 GMT -5
Hook takes no technique Hookers (LOL) are ALWAYs slow... And yes, only Top roll is the way to go...How is that working out on the world scene? BTW I like BOB BROWNS question to Engin on Facebook... BOB ask him what the % is of ALL the PULLERS, not just the winners, which, according to Enign, I was correct...LMAO
You all crack me up...
YOU all remind me of the the new guy in the gym, that sees the "bigger" guy do an exercise, and ASSUMES its correct....
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Aug 2, 2012 19:15:52 GMT -5
Post by Robert Miller on Aug 2, 2012 19:15:52 GMT -5
no some of us are capable of doing either so i wouldnt say that every pull is diff IMO some of us just get borred and feel like doing something diff depending on who we are pulling ;D[/quote Agreed Robert... That post was mostly tongue in cheek! I'm still a newbie to awing... (2-yrs) but I can hook or TR! I had a great trainer. ( James R.) Anyways.... Not trying to start anything but gotta agree w/ Christian. "Most of the time" if I start in a hook w/ a TR'er... Well let's just say, they don't fair too well. Arm for arm I usually kill em... However on a "GO" they may beat me... If yer talking about raw strength, power... Hookers are stronger!! (That right I said it).
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Aug 2, 2012 19:22:28 GMT -5
Post by Bob Brown on Aug 2, 2012 19:22:28 GMT -5
Actually, Engins answer only reinforced what I thought to be true. That is that AW'ers are about 50% hookers and 50% TR'ers.
I am not really sure how all this got started. And has diverted into about 10 different topics about TR vs HK. Which is stronger? Which has greater hand strength? Is TR cheating? lol Love this one coming from a hooker. And so on.
The analysis generally cracks me up because most just defend their idea instead of actually analyzing both sides to actually understand. Your self included. Or maybe your just busting stones and sitting back and laughing. Which would be funny.
I am curious though. Did you see my last post. Would you of answered Yes to either question?
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Aug 2, 2012 20:27:49 GMT -5
Post by Jeff Janes on Aug 2, 2012 20:27:49 GMT -5
You do what you can with what you got against whoever is across the table when the time is right.
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Herman Stevens
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Aug 2, 2012 22:13:46 GMT -5
Post by Herman Stevens on Aug 2, 2012 22:13:46 GMT -5
Why hook or toproll?
DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!
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