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Aug 1, 2012 8:54:45 GMT -5
Post by Chris Gobby on Aug 1, 2012 8:54:45 GMT -5
Toprollers have less injuries...how many times do you hear a topproller having injuries compared to a hooker or presser...come on people The majority of arm breaks are from top rolls gone wrong.
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Aug 1, 2012 9:28:22 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:28:22 GMT -5
Devon left is stronger than Christian...thats all His ( BUT he wasn't any time we pulled) and everyone else is, probably urs too SINCE I DONT AW ANYMORE! ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ....
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Aug 1, 2012 9:29:46 GMT -5
Post by Leonard Harkless on Aug 1, 2012 9:29:46 GMT -5
John, I thought our tables are based on WAF specs and have been for a long time now? Janis Amolins, Pascal, and a couple other Europeans are toprollers that are very successful at WAF. The common denominator is that they're far from weak. I guess my whole point is Arm Wrestling is a strength (power) sport. To do your best, get strong and technical not just technical. The dimensional specs are the same. The huge difference is that the elbow pads are not even similar- either in construction or in the way you use them. WAF elbow pads (Igor's pads) are a block of wood wrapped in vinyl. That's not just how they feel- that is exactly how they are made. There is some paper thin piece of material which keeps the wooden block from cutting through the vinyl wrapping, but there is no pad the way we understand padding in North America. The result of this construction is that the WAF pad is a solid, hard, SLICK pad with zero rebound. You just can't hit fast. You will foul. You cannot attack the way we do in NA. Any drag must be done in a controlled, deliberate manner- all focused on keeping your elbow down. Forget shooting your elbow to get hand position. That's suicide by elbow foul. Pascal and Janis are great examples. Yes- they toproll. But they do not toproll the way most Americans / Canadians imagine a toproll. (Those who haven't been to Worlds.) There's no lightning fast, outside blast with a ridiculous hit to the side. Any speed is done in the hand and the elbow does not move a whole lot. I'm sorry, but WAF Worlds style pulling sucks. And it's all because of the stupid elbow pads. They most certainly do change the way you pull unless you are already a slow, deliberate hooker. *And I totally agree with your last statement. This is a strength sport. But excitement comes from action. Watching a WAF Worlds for four days is enough to make you contemplate jumping off a bridge. Ten hours a day of watching people lay into a sprawled out hook is enough to make you want to take a hostage. John you are so right and actually in my opinion the bringing down of the excitement of an armwrestling match, was the creation of the flat top pad in general. Yes there were bad ones made, mainly because of no standards and specs but a good donut pad allows the armwrestler the freedom of movement without the fear of a needless foul.
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Aug 1, 2012 9:30:19 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:30:19 GMT -5
Learn how to take a joke Christian ;D besides you think everyone is weak so I'd say your meter is broken! CAUSE YOU ALL ARE.....AND YES, MY "METER IS BROKEN" READING BS.
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Aug 1, 2012 9:31:03 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:31:03 GMT -5
Depends on what one calls "successful." My point is that toprolling will only take you so far if you're not strong in a hook. Grab a pulley and compare the amount of weight you move with a toproll move compared to hooking. You'll see a BIG difference. Toprolling is a weaker move but, if you can get there it can give some leverage against another puller (as I said using weaker muscles to get around someone's power.) I guess I'm just excited about finally having an offensive hook and expressing my thoughts on it. Again, look at our few pullers who've metaled at WAF recently (within the last 8 years) if I'm correct, all are hookers. John, I thought our tables are based on WAF specs and have been for a long time now? Janis Amolins, Pascal, and a couple other Europeans are toprollers that are very successful at WAF. The common denominator is that they're far from weak. I guess my whole point is Arm Wrestling is a strength (power) sport. To do your best, get strong and technical not just technical. Tim Bresnan = top roll every puller under Tim = just weak ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) some might say Tim is Successful YEAH TIM WAS TOPPING DEVON IN THEIR LAST MATCH...UGH!!
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Aug 1, 2012 9:34:43 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:34:43 GMT -5
I've trained to toproll for more than 8 years and it got good but, my hook was stronger. I just couldn't or wasn't able to do an offensive hook. Now I can ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Top rolling may be a good way to "get around" someone's power but, if that's all you can do, you're F'd. The hook is the stronger move period. As Christian so gracefully pointed out, which of our toprollers have done worth a damn at WAF recently? The few that have metaled from the US recently have all be hookers if memory serves me right. Hug a Hooker =D The fact that there are so many successful top rollers in the us must speak volumes about the quality of our hookers ........right? Whats successful to you? i am talking in AWing, wihich is WORLD WIDE, not just sitting in their Country and puyllnig the same pullers yr after yr....
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Aug 1, 2012 9:36:10 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:36:10 GMT -5
Toprollers have less injuries...how many times do you hear a topproller having injuries compared to a hooker or presser...come on people REALLY? Oh, ok
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Aug 1, 2012 9:47:06 GMT -5
Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Aug 1, 2012 9:47:06 GMT -5
John Wilson very good posts..
Hook wars r far more exciting then taking a min to grip up, slip, re grip, slip, straps, refs grips etc, etc, etc...y the "sport" died..TAKES FOR EVER
Toppers r "fast" in other words go b4 "go", CHEAT Toppers "slip" on purpose ESP to HOOKERS, because? Hookers r stronger, and will win. So y go in straps then? BECAUSE of the "advantages" in the straps. What r 'advantages"? CHEATING, cause you can't win any other way.... "taking someones hand", doesnt make you STRONGER......
TOPPERS R THE ONES "USUALLY" bitchING THAT THEY HAVE TO PULL SOMEONE 10-20LBS HEAVIER THEN THEM. TOPPERS ARE THE ONES bitchING IF A MEET HAS ONLY A FEW CLASSES CAUSE THEY CANT COMPETE..... "WAH WAH WAH Y ITS NOT FAIR HAVING A MEET WITH ONLY A 154, 198 220 AND SUPERS CLASS, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO COMPETE?" " i am 165lbs where do i compete, WAH WAH WAH LMAO
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Aug 1, 2012 9:47:58 GMT -5
Post by Steven Green on Aug 1, 2012 9:47:58 GMT -5
John,
Ryan Clark brought over a WAF table (actually used at worlds). We had a great practice. Logsdon, Clark, Zinna, Constantino, and a bunch of strong guys that just don’t get out much.
The pads were not fun to pull on. Just as you stated hard as wood and slick. No matter the amount of chalk you put on the pad it was pointless the material is VERY slick. Add sweat to the mix and it was like putting your elbow on a finished concrete floor.
The table was rock solid and very nice but we were putting towels under our elbows the pads flat suck.
Save your arm by top rolling the people you can and only hook when you have to. That’s what I am trying to do and work on.
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Aug 1, 2012 9:49:27 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Aug 1, 2012 9:49:27 GMT -5
...actually in my opinion the bringing down of the excitement of an armwrestling match, was the creation of the flat top pad in general. Yes there were bad ones made, mainly because of no standards and specs but a good donut pad allows the armwrestler the freedom of movement without the fear of a needless foul. Which is why the WAF is going to address elbow pads at the meeting in Brazil? LOL- I almost said that with a straight face!!!
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Aug 1, 2012 9:59:39 GMT -5
Post by John Wilson on Aug 1, 2012 9:59:39 GMT -5
John, Ryan Clark brought over a WAF table (actually used at worlds). We had a great practice. Logsdon, Clark, Zinna, Constantino, and a bunch of strong guys that just don’t get out much. The pads were not fun to pull on. Just as you stated hard as wood and slick. No matter the amount of chalk you put on the pad it was pointless the material is VERY slick. Add sweat to the mix and it was like putting your elbow on a finished concrete floor. The table was rock solid and very nice but we were putting towels under our elbows the pads flat suck. Save your arm by top rolling the people you can and only hook when you have to. That’s what I am trying to do and work on. The sad reality is that those are the pads our Worlds Team needs to learn to use. I'm really happy to hear you guys have been practicing on them. Yeah, the worst part of those pads to me is that if you keep enough down pressure to keep from fouling, any drag takes the meat right off your elbow. Chalk never seems to help. I think the Russians do what is necessary. Forget elbow movement and go to position pulling. GOOD LUCK TO TEAM USA!
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Aug 1, 2012 12:58:09 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Aug 1, 2012 12:58:09 GMT -5
John, Those pads are rock hard and do suck. I am in big support of changing to a better pad style (raised border, electronic pressure sensor, etc) and starting matches in the straps. I'm very glad to see Leonard in favor of a better pad design and tired of useless elbow fouls! Remember that before you call an elbow foul on me again Leonard ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) . Like Christian pointed out, it's toprolling that seems to start with slips 80-90% of matches. Wasted time=boring. I disagree with having to not hit as fast or hard at WAF. Believe me that doesn't work. They are fast at Worlds, very fast. Here's some links to some boring hook matches at WAF: Razor vs Roman Filippov Russia Razor vs Ruslan Babayev Some good WAF matches, I got away with a win at 26 sec (sorry it was a toproll), a boring Tom Nelson hook match at 4:20 (420??) and some boring Dave Chaffee hook matches towards the end. I agree if it's Russia vs. Russia in the finals then it's not so exciting but, when any of us from the US make it to the finals it's almost always from playing hooky. Why you no likey hooky??
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Aug 1, 2012 15:07:19 GMT -5
Post by Bob Brown on Aug 1, 2012 15:07:19 GMT -5
So I am curious of all the experts out their. In a hooker vs TR match.
If the hooker gets the hook does that mean they have a stronger hand and wrist?
If the TR'er gets the TR does that mean they have a stronger hand and wrist?
Here is a clue......If you answer Yes to either question. Then you really dont know what your are talking about.
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Aug 1, 2012 15:21:54 GMT -5
Post by Brent Norris on Aug 1, 2012 15:21:54 GMT -5
So I am curious of all the experts out their. In a hooker vs TR match. If the hooker gets the hook does that mean they have a stronger hand and wrist? If the TR'er gets the TR does that mean they have a stronger hand and wrist? Here is a clue......If you answer Yes to either question. Then you really dont know what your are talking about. To an extent... If one gets the hit before the other from a no load, light load grip, or refs grip then that speed can beat the stronger hand/wrist. Wow, there is a little more to arm wrestling than spectators give it.
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Aug 1, 2012 21:01:13 GMT -5
Post by Robert Miller on Aug 1, 2012 21:01:13 GMT -5
Hookers= stronger cupping pressure & arm... TR= stronger rotation & maybe hit... Generalizations.... Gotta love em!! ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Jus my .02... I could be wrong. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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