Micheal Moore's 9/11

[enginterzi]

i have read most of the posts about this topic.so basicly what you guys believe is Bush has done all these to protect US?so what do u guys think about US used to have business with same men in the past?is this correct that US supported these people against CCCP and Iran by training them and by selling,even donating weapons to them?i believe that these are all political wars.im so sorry to see that many civiliians have been dying because of this political desicions.media controls governments by newspapers and tvs in almost every country.did 9-11 happen because they had problem with American public or because of US government's overseas politics?Saddam is a sick dictator,and he was the same man 20 years ago when he was supported by US against Iran.why Israel can have hundreds of nuclear weapon and why not another mideastern country?and why US backs Israel while all united nations thinks that Israel is using governmental terror?why Americans started to get more divorces,and kids cant see their parents together?why is media supporting divorces so much?will it be easier to control Americans when they lose their strong family hood?but i see that divorce supporters are protecting their beliefs and traditions!!!!!a public shouldnt be controlled by power.its same in my country too.some people controls media,and media controls government ,and government controls public.is this freedom?they just inject us stuff to make us not to realise what goes on.i watch news everyday about Iraq.those ppl who are fighting against US werent Saddam supporters.its their land,they have their own faiths and traditions.they die by big numbers everyday on their own land and front of their own kids ,wives,brothers,sisters,mothers and fathers.sometimes when its necessary we must criticise our own too.dont get me wrong,when i hear Americans soldiers die over there i feel sorry for their families too.they are there but only because they have to be there.this s human life!!!!!!its more important than anything else except freedom or protecting your country.if you were born in their country you would share their pain.its impossible to not to take this patriotic.

[enginterzi]

its after midnight here and before i go to sleep i wanted to add a few more things about this subject.
i remember that i had tears on my eyes while i was listenning a speech of Bush when i was in US.US is the strongest country in the world and US governments politics interests every human being on earth.because they have power to bring both peace and war to this world.when i listened that speech i had big faith in him that he was going to be totally fair,so i had hopes to see earth peaceful.i must confess that i was wrong.he used his power for his personal business and he is still being a reason of losts of many human lives.it was necessary to one point but was unnecessary after that point.

[simon]

Engin no question the political history of this current situation runs very deep, and you will get no argument from me that the media manipulates the government and the government manipulates the media and in the end the citizens get a less then clear understanding of the issues, subsequently creating a Hollywood view of our world and the happenings there in. Certainly Saddam is an individual that never should have been dealt with in a cordial manner, it is tragic how government’s perception of a situation change so easily. I have no concerns with the US playing international police officer, only because I believe it is the lesser of two evils, either you play international cop or you participate in the widespread practice of just letting people and nations do whatever they want to any and everyone else, if we are going to do that we might as well go back to the process of you can own what ever you can take and keep. I see a clear distinction between the two approaches though admittedly I think they have the potential to end up with virtually the same result.

I personally think you hit the nail on the head, I had very high hopes for Mr. Bush’s plan, I thought he had the opportunity to become the most revered leader in this countries history after 9/11, but frankly I think his group failed in that regard. Certainly harsh action was warranted but I too believe the actions have proceeded in a significantly self serving manner and not in the best interest of this country, just my opinion. There were many approaches that could have been taken and to many different levels. Don’t get me wrong I am very much in support of our military, they are following orders and doing what is asked of them, there is no greater sacrifice. One thing I have learned is that regardless of whether you think something your leaders are proceeding with will succeed or not, you are obligated to speak your mind and if they still proceed then you should do you part to support it. To the contrary it will have absolutely no chance of success if you take significant action against it without giving it a chance to prove itself out, and if it fails you now have become part of the reason it failed. I think Michael Moore’s film was a significant move that undermines the US military and US government efforts, his intentional actions during this time have hurt this endeavor, so at this point he is not just documenting it, he is altering the outcome in a detrimental fashion.

There are so many horrible things happening all over the world, where do you start, where do you stop, how do you really know the bad guys from the good guys. I guess I would say if I was King of the USA, I would take some time to secure and resurrect this country first, cutting virtually all of our funding and functional ties to everyone else, after a period of providing self sufficient manner of aid prior to stopping. As we did this I would issue this decree; during this time of removal from supporting foreign governments we will be closely monitoring everyone, and after our hiatus we will resume international assistance, aid for the most in need and hell fire for those that have chosen to exploit the innocent, no politics, no negotiations, just a world class beating coming your way. It would be interesting to see what other governments do in the world without the US involvement.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

LOL, Simon ,Simon, Simon.It amazes me to see how well spoken and how it seems how intelligent you are, that you would write your last response.

[simon]

Come on now, which part did you not care for?

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Just about all of it!!!!!

[simon]

That's not fair you did not give me anything to debate you off of with a comment of just about all of it.

Lets go Mr. Binnie just some brief bullet points from you and I will try to keep my response under 6000 words.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

No Simon, no more debating on this subject! I didn't think you would fall for believing propagandist crap and the extreme liberal biased media. That all!

Recent poll taken: polled media reporters on their party affliation: 3 to 1 outside Washington D.C. libs. Inside the beltway: 12 to 1 libs. Now that would have no effect on what and more importantly HOW news is reported, or should I say, slanted.
What news organizations are always quoted? N.Y. Slimes, Washington Post, L.A. Slimes, Chicago Tribune, CNN, A.P. Reuters, AND lets not forget the " new " one Al Jazeera. Lets not get into NBC, CBS, ABC, 60 Minutes. Should I go on?

So little old Chritian, and I mean OLD. Can't compete with that!

So this is my last reply on this subject. CIAO!

[simon]

OK no debating, but I am not sure I am falling for any liberal crap, far from it, I thought some solutions could come from tragedy but we still just seem to be managing problems with no real solutions in sight, I think this is more a function of the politics rather than a lack of options. MM’s movie, it is disheartening that he can use the freedom that so many have died for to undermine this nation in such a fashion. Media impartiality in mass is a joke, certainly there are upright and conscientious publications but they are not the major ones that is for sure. You have to admit that our policies toward certain countries and leaders have not been very consistent and that frankly we do not really seem to be doing as much at home as we should be.

There my shortest reply on a complicated subject ever.

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

STOP Making statements that force me to reply! LOL

BUT I WON"T

[simon]

I tried, but I guess you have too much will power.

[Tony Carpenter]

I find that Bush relies on Cheney to much for the wrong decisions. Back in High School (i Know it was only a few months ago ) we studied Bush fully, watched films about him from all perspectives. In every Documentary when Bush had to make a decision all people but Cheney had to leave and it became a closed door session. There is nothing wrong with Cheney, but he's not the expert on every subject.

P. S. Stick to Fantasy/Sci-fi movies, we've already been bombarded to much with reality TV and Documentaries.