Sexual and satanic symbols of the masonic lodge

[Bill Maenza]

Ryan,
You need to chill, seriously. You are passionate about your faith and that is great. As I have mentioned to you on this board and thru email exactly what Nicole has told you...you do more to turn people away than to draw them in.

I can't get into the conversation about the Masons as I have only met the Ryan Thames' of them ;-)

We all agree about spreading the Word. Maybe if you spend some time trying to find out how we are all similar in Christ and not so much time trying to find out how the rest of us are doing it wrong, you will be more successful in being an Apostle of Christ. Not a sermon, just a thought.

God Bless,
Bill

[gambit]

Dude, arguing with you is like talking to the bumper of a junked out car. Go ahead and learn from The Jimmy Swaggart Ministries and learn their hypocritical ways and DO NOT, no matter what, DRINK THE KOOL-AID if they offer it to you!!!

You say your church will not kill you if you leave them. Hypothetically let's say you want to join...THEY ARE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU THEY ARE GOING TO KILL YOU IF YOU LEAVE...IF THEY WANT YOU TO BE A MEMBER!!! You will wake up with a horse head in bed and...well, you know the rest...don't you? The point is you don't know what any outcome is if you do a certain act. You are obviously learning this from your instructor. Geeeezzz!!

I now come to this point: -

Ryan said:

My teacher is a former mason. he is a former mason becuase Jesus Christ brought him out of it after showing him the truth. He explained the many demonic and satanic rituals that they practice. And their goals andmotives. He explained their death oathes. You cant get the truth from a cult from the inside they are supposed to lie to you. You have to go outside. Strange thing with all cults and false religions is that they make you swear you wont do that and if you do they will kill you.

...if I am not mistaken, but by your own words shouldn't your teacher be DEAD !?!?!?!

[Jeremy Plaster]

I was wondering if someone was gonna catch that ;D
Good to hear you alive and well Allen See ya in August!
J

[CHRISTIAN BINNIE]

Here he ( Ryan ) goes AGAIN....AHHHH.. Naturally quoting from religious websites with agendas. I'm sure Ryan that I or others can find websites with agendas agianst your beliefs.

This is just like your quoting from those websites that believe in Nessie and Champy....I thought by now that you would have learned to stop quoting from these "websites ". WHEN WILL YOU STOP? KEEP ALIENATING YOURSELF. GOOD LUCK FINDING "someone" to share you life with.
TRULY SAD that you just refuse to learn ANYTHING!

[Tony Carpenter]

Ryan, if you were worried about what you do wrong half as much as you worry about what other people do wrong, you would be going to heaven, garunteed.

Ryan, you've presented your information now step down and realize that you could be wrong about something. Just because your teacher was a Mason doesn't make you an expert on the Freemasons as a whole.

Now, can you admit the possibility you are wrong, or do you have to much pride.

[Ryan Thames]

Allen,

Good point. Thats why he was afraid of saying his name on the radio station for 3 years he was afraid of the repercusions. Im sure he doesnt go around advertizing who he is. They dont have a tracking device planted in the brain thats those other people.

Tony,

I do not claim to be an expert on any of this. I acknowledge the possibility to be wrong, im trying to be careful.

Bill,

You said: "Maybe if you spend some time trying to find out how we are all similar in Christ"

I respond with this: Jesus said this:

Matthew 10:34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41. He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

We would be wasting our time find out what we all have in common in christ. Its either faith in Christ ALONE . Or its nothing. I try in my comments to explain what we have in common in christ and that apart from faith in Jesus christ and him Crucified it isnt much. I probably didnt say that correctly but i hope you understand what i mean.

[Nicole Cisco]

Ryan --

Its called Fellowship my friend....

Nicole

[Ryan Thames]

Engin said:

i have a question,can a true Christian be also a mason?i thought that masons were part of Jews thing.or a part of Zionist understanding.i thought they all were under same umbrella,rotarians,lions and masons.arent they all related eachother somehow?

LISTEN CARFULLY GUYS IM BOUT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT MAY SHOCK YOU!!!!

Engin,

Im not really sure about all of your question. (Because im no expert.) I know this that there are masons in every religion. You have to believe in a god. They will ask you of you religious affiliation only to know what book to place on the alter when you are sworn in. They do this to make your oath more binding to you. If you are Jewish it is the torah Christian it is the bible Muslim it is the Koran. I know there are many branches. there are Jewish Lodges. As well as christian and muslim lodges.

Can a TRUE Christian. be a Mason? YES, but it goes against all christian scripture (once they realize this they should get out) and i assume its the same for the islamic and jewish scriptures.
Christians say the only way to the father is through Christ, Muslim says there is no god but Allah and Jews deny Christ as Messiah. So these three Religions as the world sees them to be the only monotheistic religions, cannot worship together. It violates each of there scriptures. Correct me if im wrong. Where the masons teach that all are the same God but we all have our way to worship. That dont sound like God to me, whether i be Christian, Muslim or Jew. THAT is the contradiction of contradictions.

He isnt going to say "i want these people to worship me this way and these to worship me this way". Or "I dont care how you worship me as long as you worship me in your own way" That would be degrading God saying we can approach him arragont on our own terms and that he has no say in it. correct?

[Ryan Thames]

Nicole,

I can get along with anyone of another religion and i do get along with them. It may not seem like it here but i do. I love them all. I can fellowship with them BUT only to a certain extent. I can not sit back and agree or be passive when something goes against the word of God.

I can fellowship with Bill (for example) but we will till have disagreements. Some are serious disagreements. But i can still Fellowship with him. I dont have a problem with getting along with people.

But Jesus Christ and everything the bible teaches comes in and clearly seperates and divides us. And it is promised that when you stand on the truth of Gods word that people will come against you and hate you. If you follow christ fully and whole heartly people WILL NOT embrace you with loving arms.


JOHN 15 17. These things I command you, that ye love one another.
18. If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
20. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21. But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

[Nicole Cisco]

Ryan -- Please do not think that I or anyone on here is going against your faith or religion. I am also a christian and proud to say it -- and will stand up (obviously) and voice what I think be wrong.

Ryan the only thing that I say to you -- Be able to connect the dots before you start a statement. Know that we are here to educate and bring others to god by witnessing - Not force feeding. By not doing the first you lose credibility and respect. By the ladder -- people become deaf to your effort -- no matter how profound.

Ryan -- I am not attacking you -- just think that you are young and passionate about what you believe. You just need work on your delivery and fact checking. If you would like to discuss this further please email me directly -- as this topic is getting beat to death like a dead horse.

[Chris Coletti]

My father and Grandfather were Masons. They worked together with my Uncle who owned a concrete company up in Mass. They built brick homes together

As far as the other Mason's are concerned I have no idea what they are about nor can I comment on them. I know from what I have read here that many people I respect come from that background so I will refrain from any other comments except to say that Nicole better introduce me to her dad or I will feel like she doesn't love me as much as everyone else

I would like to say for the record that Pete Milanos new picture is the best one by far on this board.

[Tony Carpenter]

Ryan said:

Bill,

You said: "Maybe if you spend some time trying to find out how we are all similar in Christ"

I respond with this: Jesus said this:

Matthew 10:34. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40. He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41. He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

We would be wasting our time find out what we all have in common in christ. Its either faith in Christ ALONE . Or its nothing. I try in my comments to explain what we have in common in christ and that apart from faith in Jesus christ and him Crucified it isnt much. I probably didnt say that correctly but i hope you understand what i mean.

Ryan, I know you've read the parable of the good samaritan. What is the message that that story is trying to portray?

[Ryan Thames]

why are you asking me that. id have to go back and read it again. before i responded.

[Jeremy Plaster]

I dont know you at all. If I saw you at an event I more than likely wouldnt go any further with you than hello before walking away. You should just answer Steve because I am amazed that there is even one person asking you a serious question. I dont mean to be rude Ryan, but you are one insulting guy. What you claim you stand for really doesnt show in your actions. All you come off looking like is one hell of a pompous (sp?) guy. And believe me bro, thats putting it lightly. You need to take a long hard look in the mirror before you come here or anywhere and preach in the manner you've been doing. You insult alot of people on this board Ryan. Again, not trying to be rude, but I am calling it like it is.

J

[Steven Lareau]

Plaster said:

You should just answer Steve because I am amazed that there is even one person asking you a serious question.

J

Thanks J for noticing my question