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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 25, 2008 23:17:33 GMT -5
I get Gary's idea of having all the organizations in America uniting to make one HUGE organization that promotes our sport but I just don't think the others share that vision.
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Post by Todd Smiley on Aug 25, 2008 23:19:15 GMT -5
I get Gary's idea of having all the organizations in America uniting to make one HUGE organization that promotes our sport but I just don't think the others share that vision. Who are the others? Thats the one thing I have been seeing alot of everywhere, nobody says Hey I am in charge of anything.. Just like who is WAF,
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Aug 25, 2008 23:21:53 GMT -5
All the other promoters. AAA,USAF,etc..... The different armwrestling federations. An also US all of us Armwrestlers.
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Post by Jared Vale on Aug 25, 2008 23:23:12 GMT -5
there needs to be a VP of national sponsorships..... ME....
I'll get some money into the system....... My gameplan is simialr.
Would like to talk with you Gary..
Jared
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Post by Coley Jones on Aug 25, 2008 23:24:06 GMT -5
USAA AAA USAF (American branch of WAF) PAC probably more
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 25, 2008 23:24:11 GMT -5
DIVISIONS/LEVELS in armwrestling. I've only been to a few tournaments but I have watched guys walk off the street and probably a naturally good armwrestler get smaked off the table 0-2 because he entered the open and doesn't get it yet, just doesn't understand the level of talent he is pulling against or the training to get there. He just knows he got slammed and every person that doesn't get it, even if its not their fault is going to feel some type of shame and not willingness to enter another tournament and would rather be the local badass and beat his buddies at the bar or work or whatever. You've got levels with Ametuer/Novice at tourneys but the average guy doesn't get it, and they take a look at the competition in the room and size up a guy like Corey Miller who looks like your average 150-160 lb guy and gets worked when he steps up to the table. And why are there professionals even lower level pros pulling in Novice and ametuer classes? If you know how to set up at a table, toproll, hook, sweep, press, backpressure, whatever you are more professional than the true novice/ ametuer walking off the street, they have no idea. In the end, I've seen half of every tournament goer and family/friends leave before the entire tournament is done, because (A.) they are beat out (B.) they have no relation or know of who is at the table in the finals, and thus, do not care (C.) it gets to be a drawn out process with how the tourney is ran, and does not keep them involved. there are prolly tons of reasons.
Oh and what happens when you do get a million dollars, and you can only afford 1 commercial to show on ESPN at 3:00 a.m. because it costs 250,000 dollars or whatever for a halftime commercial of even bowling. You're right someone always has more money and even a million dollars may not be enough, and if it is and takes off and gets shown on ESPN, but they have no involvement with ARMTV and will not allow you to take part, buy you out, do well for a year and run it into the ground and you can't touch it because they have the rights? I have zero answers, just questions? BUT....GARY
I promise you, I get it, and I CARE
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Post by Todd Smiley on Aug 25, 2008 23:25:00 GMT -5
Ok so not all of them share the vision of making something out of the sport.. there has to be one group that wants to.. They should be the ones that lead the way... Just like racign tehre are severl groups you can compete with but it comes down to ONE major recognized organization that everyone says if you are not apart of it then you are not a true competitor.... which one wants to be that organization?
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Post by Joshua 'Turbo' Borrow on Aug 25, 2008 23:27:17 GMT -5
we just need to come together and where tourneys are held we need to go to radio and tv stations and get some outsiders covering the tournament. Just a 2 minute clip on the news could change some people
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Post by Todd Smiley on Aug 25, 2008 23:31:55 GMT -5
Mr Blevins you make ALOT of great points, I see that all of the time and we used to exploit my brothers talent, Go to the bowling ally and say hey who thinks they can beat this 16/yo in armwrestling, he beat everyone and then we tell them hey , you want to learn? We have gotten a few people to come to practices for awhile, The question always comes up, Can you make money at it? and the usual answer is not really... Better organization than puts on money tournaments.. (generated by memberships and entry fees) events become an annual thing and it builds from there, they get bigger and more publicised.. I know Heartland Armwrestling ( www.armwrestle.com ) has done an excellent job of keeping local tournaments going every year.. alot of hard work with little gain..
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 25, 2008 23:33:58 GMT -5
it comes off as self promotion
but it really isn't
for once in my life I realized what is and what isn't with my business and I am very happy in the direction we are going. We have more members than ever.
It began as an answer to the question that has always bugged us.
Why? has the sport not grown. And I have never seen it broken down. So when I figured it out, it was time to tell.
Two. (I don't know if ARM TV is the only armwrestling product that is in business 24/7/365)
but it is a great example to answer the questions that people have about why this sport is not in the Olympics.
a light bulb went off in my head when I heard that the reason there is a falling out with Fila is because they were told armwrestlers can't afford the fees or something like that.
It gets you thinking about what has kept the sport down. The Outsiders are the ones who always have the control. As long as that remains true. The sport will go no where.
It doesn't matter to me who is in control
a perfect example is the Nationals with Bob Brown. He is an example of someone who cares, and had the resources to do something out of the box for armwrestling.
This had nothing to do with me.
But it is an example of what I am talking about.
Three. The promotion of the video.
The moral. IF you can get a few armwrestlers to get all wired up in anticipation for something...like a video. In less than a day, with no money put forth.
What could be done to get the world fired up about armwrestling. Are you saying that you are different than the other billions of people out there.
Anyone can hype anything up. When it comes to armwrestling. No one has spent a significant amount of money on hyping armwrestling...consistently....over time. No one.
Any examples that you may give me. I will give you the examples of them all walking away when the going got tough.
I do not expect anyone to do anything different for me or my company (other than the pretenders that I pointed out)
I would hope that I hear less of the "why" do we no go anywhere. I laid it out and it can related to any and all things for the sport.
Clearly I do have an inside agenda with my company because I love it and thinks everyone should be a member but that is because I am passionate about what I do...so you would have to expect that.
Don't let that fog what the point to the story is though.
If you want to be in the Olympics, If you want to be a professionally sponsored athlete. You know what has kept it from happening all these years.
simple.
bottom line is I will keep doing what I am doing.
and that is, reaching for the "don't knows"
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Post by Todd Smiley on Aug 25, 2008 23:38:29 GMT -5
Identifying the problem is the easiest part, the hard part is coming up with the solution and means to execute it, again , (you are in a better position than most by knowing who's who) what if any plan of action do you have to solve the problem ?
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Post by Gary Roberts on Aug 25, 2008 23:39:00 GMT -5
a million dollars is not a lot of money but if spent wisely you could do amazing things.
look how much hype we created in a day with a mailing list and a message board.
for nothing.
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Post by Todd Smiley on Aug 25, 2008 23:42:54 GMT -5
thats another problem everyone gets the hype up , only to fail in delivering.. do you or do you not have a plan ?
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Post by Chris Burr on Aug 25, 2008 23:44:13 GMT -5
it REALLY did come off as self promotion.gary how many tourneys do i have to go to to be a cat 1.on another post you said i was a cat 2 and thats fine however i go to as many tourneys as i can and no i dont pull in all of them but im there.if you want last year ark rotn im sitting in the crowd thats better than nothing.a buddy of mine got on the worlds team as a junior last year and i called as many folks as i could even though nobody hardly showed i donated my money to get crushed by mike smith so that the kid could go. now with that being said to me the best part of arm wrestling is when a bunch of my buddies get together and pull for hours and hang out not for money or arm tv coverage but for the LOVE OF THE SPORT and the friendship that it brings.carry on the good fight mr.roberts one day MAYBE you can write the big checks.signed sincerly a clueless catagory 2
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Post by Aaron Blevins on Aug 25, 2008 23:45:38 GMT -5
I have 1 plan of action directly affecting me as newer but devout armwrestler, DIVSIONS/LEVELS of armwrestling. SOLIDIFY IT, and give the brand new guys a reason to buy into the sport & ARMTV, those guys are actually showing up for the tournaments at least, Let him win or place in a true novice class, give him a trophy and a 1 month FREE membership to ARMTV.....YOU WILL have a 9 of 10 chance that he sticks. Or whatever plan you have?
Different levels of pullers may have different ideas, but that is the point, everyone can contribute ideas from their own standpoint, this just one happens to directly affect me.
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