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Post by Willie Reagan on May 1, 2014 12:59:25 GMT -5
Jeremy Pappy should be much higher on the list. Jeremy should also be up on the left hand as well. Danial Worley isn't even ranked.
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Post by Kelli Nelson on May 1, 2014 13:20:07 GMT -5
Sorry Josh I know you work hard at the rankings BUT these are by far the worst rankings yet.
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Post by user123 on May 1, 2014 13:32:52 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry Josh, but I don't understand the majority of these. Why'd I get the boot?
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -5
I don't see any personal attacks on here.
I have politely asked josh to explain his reasons for the list the way it is for a long time now... And he answers everyone else but avoids answering me... Cool. When I see plain old black and white facts... It is sheer stupidity and making an opinion against facts is just looking for an issue. For instance in my examples... I beat todd straight up... Josh never answered why I stayed ranked under... Can't be because of the previous events because I didn't get that nod when the same happened to me.
Simon over chad by a few spots... When last meeting chad beat simon easy.
Chase over Clark... Same as above.
These aren't speculations, these people have pulled and there are factual bases.... And not just these few... I can break down every weight class... It's all off.
Why care you ask ? That's a dumb question, because why armwrestle then ?... No money... No real fame yet... Just a lot of training, pain, time, money and injuries.... But we keep going because we love it... And with that passion respect for what you accomplish amongst your peers who understand this is probably something we all want to some degree. When someone makes a list that seems so off it feels like a snub.
On the flip note, rankings could nowadays be a big deal... Given money events and big tv shows... Suppose we want to start scouring for sponsors... And the only legit NA based rankings is the in the hook rankings... Well then my friend being dropped a few places could be a dilemma of getting a sponsor and opportunity or not... Sounds crazy but given the past years trajectory I could be spot on.
"Give thanks"... Nope... I don't thank people for sub par work ... In any trade. Josh wanted this job because he is an armwrestling enthusiast .... He isn't strapped to a chair whipped into submission. If you throw your name in the hat to do a job... Do it right .., thanking someone for mucking up a situation is leaning toward a warped mindset I won't conform to.
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Post by John Roberts on May 1, 2014 15:16:42 GMT -5
Rankings are tough...... But as I have said before.. People who know ,know.... Know what I mean...........
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 16:01:09 GMT -5
Sounds like you just need to do it then.
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 16:02:49 GMT -5
Rankings are something for people to look at. But in the end if you beat someone that is ranked and your not it wil be noticed also.
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Post by Kyle Darby on May 1, 2014 16:25:51 GMT -5
Alan what are you advocating for? Obviously the people commenting are stakeholders and have a vested interest. Not to be rude but who are you convincing here them or yourself? No one is attacking Josh. Sometimes it's justified to subjectively challenge rankings. After all rankings aren't supposed to be opinion based if all facts and results are considered.
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 16:46:48 GMT -5
Yes but not in such a rude manner. All the time!
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 16:55:32 GMT -5
^^^ who are you referring to ?
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 17:11:11 GMT -5
You obviously. Your always do rude and unappreciative of things that someone else does. Whether its about you or not. In other threads when someone wants opinions just for a discussion/debate, you put yours in which is fine but when people don't agree with you and express reasons not to, you go off the deep end just cause someone doesn't see things the same as you. It's pretty pathetic.
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 18:44:49 GMT -5
... A tad more here... Just to add to the hilarity You have chase jump how many spots... Even over Clark... Who beats chase. Simon is over chad silvers ?... When silvers beat Selearis and simon easy in their last encounters... Lol... I could go on for days... You are cooked buddy Never dodged your questions... I answered why Ford was a above you the first time you asked. My answer didn't change so I didn't answer every time you asked after that. You put your arm up on the table last year vs ford and lost, that's why he was above you. If you pull a tourney you should be prepared to drop rank if you lose. If I recall correctly, mgc 2013 actually upped your rank overall, not dropped it. But can't remember for certain. Chase beat ford at wal and moved above him. Ryan beat Ford after that. Ryan and chase pulled when? 2012 lefty I know. If they pulled right handed in 2012 chase wasn't even ranked right handed back then, clark was above him at the time. There is almost always someone ranked below u that can beat u, and someone ranked higher that u can beat, given styles and matchups. Chad was off the rankings completely for inactivity now he beat mike Bianchi who I had tenth. He doesn't automatically jump up after being inactive. He needs to beat the guys that are currently ranked same as everyone else. As to why you were moved to 242 rankings. You didn't pull a 198 or under class for more than 12 months. Same with rakers. Same with Clark prior to mgc. Its the same for everyone, you gotta pull that class at least once every 12 months to be ranked there. No bias at all. Yes u beat green but since then he has wins on mask and sill who I would at this time rank above you. Sorry if u disagree. Would love to see u pull them. Yeah, can you explain why Rob and Brent are now in 110 KG? Also, who are all these Florida pullers that popped up out of nowhere? I know why I dropped off (I had gotten beat by the people that moved above me), but I don't understand why some of these guys jumped up the rankings when they weren't previously on them at all, ESPECIALLY when they only pull locally (sometimes....). Rvj and rakers haven't pulled a 198 or lower class in over 12 months. They've pulled 205, 220, 242 and supers classes. Scott Hohrath is a Florida puller who has been pulling for years. He just beat Karl Stanley left at Florida states. Dickie beat them both. I was told Dickie is a past champ (world champ? Can't remember) who's making a comeback. Dave Owens answer accurately explains it to. Matt Mask is ahead of me lefty? Really? He beat chandler who was ahead of you in North American overall rankings. That's the reasoning, agreed upon by Jeff Slater. If you deserve to be above him I'm sure you'll take it soon. No disrespect to Mike Ayello at all, but...he's placed over Barboza and Lupkes? really?? Can he beat them, idk... But at wal he went 1-1 with underwood who beat Lupkes last year and is therefor ranked ahead of him... And Marcio just beat Lupkes, hasn't pulled much in the last few years and has only recently been added back to the rankings. Thanks Alan, David, Tim, and Leonard for the support. Yeah, sorry Josh, but I don't understand the majority of these. Why'd I get the boot? Joking or serious? You told me on fb to take u off 176 rankings cuz u wouldn't be at that weight for a while. And at any rate since u were near the bottom and guys above u got beat, u wudda slid off anyways. Either you're joking, your account got hacked, or you disagree with my decision and wish to complain publicly, even though we have talked on Facebook about it prior to me even sending in updates.
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Post by Ryan Espey on May 1, 2014 19:18:04 GMT -5
I can accept that and you are right... time will tell.
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 19:31:17 GMT -5
IThese aren't speculations, these people have pulled and there are factual bases.... And not just these few... I can break down every weight class... It's all off. Why care you ask ? That's a dumb question, because why armwrestle then ?... No money... No real fame yet... Just a lot of training, pain, time, money and injuries.... But we keep going because we love it... And with that passion respect for what you accomplish amongst your peers who understand this is probably something we all want to some degree. When someone makes a list that seems so off it feels like a snub. . Rob, If you'd like, post what your rankings would be 1-10 For every class and ill tell u why they're wrong. It will most likely be a lotta guys that were former champs 5-10 yrs ago that haven't pulled / haven't pulled much lately. Lets see it. If its easier you can just list what you're top ten would be right handed and forget about left.
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Post by user123 on May 1, 2014 19:35:17 GMT -5
Josh, I said that with the understanding that I would be ranked in a different class since I just beat someone that is now on the 90kg rankings. Apparently results from January don't count for anything. If you want to base the rankings on opinion that's fine, but don't state that they're based solely one puller x beating puller y.
Check your tone as well. I did not attack you personally and will ask questions as I please. If you can't handle it, turn over the rankings to someone with thicker skin.
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