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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 19:46:10 GMT -5
Alan, I don't know what your hang up here is, but pathetic is taking up arms for a grown up man who can answer his own questions. Furthermore... Pathetic is chiming in on why people care about things you obviously don't care about... So why chime in ?!... Pathetic Acting like all conversations without tea finger in the air and nothing but gratitude and fake worship is taboo... Pah-fu(kin- theeeeee-tick tick tick !!!!
Now, I kindly ask you to buzz off joshes and my a$$ and he will answer my questions... Fly fly fly.
Josh, I definitely disagree... And you haven't touched on the me vs todd match?? I mean... I did win that match and he was number 1... Sooo? You ranking people over guys who have a history just because you ASSUME that puller A is so much better now while puller B with the winning record is living in a cave is ridiculous. Facts are facts... I shouldn't have to chase Steve... I beat him, now he goes and gets some wind on guys other than me... Who never pulled me... And he jumps over me... Am I hearing this better ?... Because in your OPINION he is better now... When we have real results to go by. It should be Steve green who has to chase my a$$ to get my spot as I actually beat him... You know ... HAND TO PAD... Classic armwrasslin... Not conjured up wins against a fu(kin superb matrix of random hair balls that add up to an elevated ranking. Your opinion should be minimal.
Yes chad should jump in wherever the fu( k chad feels... He has been slaying that whole list for how long now ?... How many guys have beat him ?... Ever ?.... The poor fu(kin guy takes a min to change a diaper and catch a nap during family life and now he has to PROVE his spot ?!.... I'm off base and someone clap in my ear if I'm cracked up... But what the fu(k has chad been doing for near 30 years. ?!.... Apparently it wasn't armwrestling and winning against the best.
There is a better way than this , it is laughable ...
Oh... To Alan... Just look at this post like one of those magic eye posters... You know the one in the docs office where you cross your eyes and a bunch of dots looks like a dragon jumping off the page... Right... Stare at this and picture pleases..thank yous...and big fu (kin dildos between every third word. ....my good sir
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 20:12:34 GMT -5
Josh... I didn't campaign for the rankings job, but it doesn't take a total armwrestling trivia nerd to look at your list... Any of em and give their head a good scratchin.
Picture this if you will....
You are driving in your favorite ride on a glorious sunny spring day... Feelin good... Lovin life. To your left you start to approach these high school kids on the side of the road jumpin up and down waving signs... Yelling "car wash!". You figure, "what the fu(k... Why not ?" You pull in park in the slotted space and right before your very eyes some over zealous kid runs over with a wash brush and starts scrubbing away at the whole winters worth of salt and sand.... Before the car gets a good rinsing!! "friendly my life "... You just got a proper sanding on your previously decent paint job... You are not happy... If you are normal you are sh!t house that what was supposed to be a car cleanin turned into a royal sh!t show! Anyone normal peels outta there after throwing out a minimal 50 stupids and curses... It's human. Does this make you an a$$hole because they were doing a good deed... For free ?... NO... You at least expected if they were gonna set up shop and run a car wash they would have a fu( kin clue... On how to wash a damn car and the 101 of the process...Being freebie... Volunteer... Doesn't matter.
Now the guy who says they would shake hands and be chill... Please stand up... Because you are full of sh!t and you may be non confrontational but I know your poor wife's ears will be ringin off the hook when you get home.
Some pop off out in the open, others put on a happy face... But we all feel the same, some aren't as fake about it
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 20:26:56 GMT -5
See. Exactly like I said.
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 20:29:01 GMT -5
Gotta be rude and all about you. Thanks for proving me right.
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 20:34:03 GMT -5
Josh, I said that with the understanding that I would be ranked in a different class since I just beat someone that is now on the 90kg rankings. Apparently results from January don't count for anything. If you want to base the rankings on opinion that's fine, but don't state that they're based solely one puller x beating puller y. Check your tone as well. I did not attack you personally and will ask questions as I please. If you can't handle it, turn over the rankings to someone with thicker skin. Was just surprised as I thought we talked about that too. I know u disagree with it but at the time u beat Toups he was not ranked. He earned his rank at Arnold's by beating Logsdon. Your win over him before he was ranked does not put u over him now, the way I do my rankings, to me his wins at Arnold's show improvement since UAL.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 20:38:12 GMT -5
^^^ not at all, I have a laundry list of informative and trying to be helpful/positive posts... Not my fault how you perceive selected posts.
Plus, weren't you being mildly passive agressive... Like questioning what I should care about?... Like you dictate what is worthy of me questioning or deem worthy to me.
Sorry to enlighten you bud, that is rude... Just chiming in to let people know how unimportant their caring about a subject is... And for the cherry on top... You don't have anything to do with them... Seems to me you are the one With the ill intent
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Post by user123 on May 1, 2014 20:40:19 GMT -5
Josh, it was literally 2 months earlier. Do you honestly believe he got better in 2 months? When you take into account recovery time from the previous tourney, then rest time before the next tourney, what is that, 2-3 practices max? Come on now, you can't believe that.
On a side note, this takes nothing away from Toups. He is a great puller and a good guy and did a great job at the Arnold's this year. I think he deserves to be ranked, but I think my win on him should count for something, especially when the class we both had to pull at UAL 6 is taken into account.
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 20:43:31 GMT -5
Josh, I said that with the understanding that I would be ranked in a different class since I just beat someone that is now on the 90kg rankings. Apparently results from January don't count for anything. If you want to base the rankings on opinion that's fine, but don't state that they're based solely one puller x beating puller y. Check your tone as well. I did not attack you personally and will ask questions as I please. If you can't handle it, turn over the rankings to someone with thicker skin. Was just surprised as I thought we talked about that too. I know u disagree with it but at the time u beat Toups he was not ranked. He earned his rank at Arnold's by beating Logsdon. Your win over him before he was ranked does not put u over him now, the way I do my rankings, to me his wins at Arnold's show improvement since UAL. Hahahahahaha !!!!! Truth IS stranger than fiction FYI... Mike McGraw just beat logsdon too... In dominating fashion Apparently... Beating an actual person has less weight than the perceived how they do weeks later against other guys... The actual result of said match up has less weight than the whole box of magic yugioh armwrestling whatnots... Brilliant!!... This post summed up and answered all my questions and curiousities that have been danced around... It is so clear now ... Thank you, good by... I need to detox my poor brain from this madness
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 20:51:54 GMT -5
Josh, I definitely disagree... And you haven't touched on the me vs todd match?? I mean... I did win that match and he was number 1... Sooo? You ranking people over guys who have a history just because you ASSUME that puller A is so much better now while puller B with the winning record is living in a cave is ridiculous. Facts are facts... I shouldn't have to chase Steve... I beat him, now he goes and gets some wind on guys other than me... Who never pulled me... And he jumps over me... Am I hearing this better ?... Because in your OPINION he is better now... When we have real results to go by. It should be Steve green who has to chase my a$$ to get my spot as I actually beat him... You know ... HAND TO PAD... Classic armwrasslin... Not conjured up wins against a fu(kin superb matrix of random hair balls that add up to an elevated ranking. Your opinion should be minimal. [/b] First of all I don't go by winning record. If u beat green 5 times then he goes and beats Brzenk he moves up regardless of your match. Since u beat him he beat Jordan sill (in Vegas 2013) and had I ranked u in 242 at that time I would have ranked u below sill. Sill has beat Todd Hutchings too, and has beaten chandler and rakers amongst others. As for why u weren't above Todd h originally. I left that decision up to Jeff slater who does the Canadian rankings and does North American rankings together with me. He didnt think u should move up given that Todd pulled a week before and had killer matches. It was his decision not mine, he had a say in it even though its USA rankings because it would have affected the North American rankings. [/b] This is current rankings rob, not a list of all time greats, or a list of who has been the best over a 30 year period. If you'd like to make a list of all time greats maybe Jerry Milne would post it on inthehook.com. Do u understand that the guys that were the best in the past aren't guaranteed a spot on a CURRENT 2014 rankings??? 1 year not pulling and your off then have to work your way back on. That has always been the rule. Since before I even took the rankings up. Its the same for everyone, no exceptions! Which is why Devon is ranked tenth in North American supers, nobody is complaining about that, not even Devon! I guarantee you Rob that not everyone agrees with u.
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Post by David Owens on May 1, 2014 20:51:59 GMT -5
Josh, it was literally 2 months earlier. Do you honestly believe he got better in 2 months? When you take into account recovery time from the previous tourney, then rest time before the next tourney, what is that, 2-3 practices max? Come on now, you can't believe that. On a side note, this takes nothing away from Toups. He is a great puller and a good guy and did a great job at the Arnold's this year. I think he deserves to be ranked, but I think my win on him should count for something, especially when the class we both had to pull at UAL 6 is taken into account. Brian These rankings work on a timeline, if you beat someone before they were someone then you get squat, should your win Count for something? Yes and it does its a win over a great puller. That's just not how this system works we may not like it and it may not be perfect but it's a system and normally comes with reasonable answers. I could name pullers I've beaten who were ranked at the time but personally I wouldn't want to be ranked over people unless I was certain I could beat them. Also if I was Simon or anyone else above Chad who had never beaten the guy I would speak up and tell Josh to give him that spot, we know how bad Chad is and while I agree some have to work their way back up I would be willing to give that guy a hall pass and wait till I beat him to take his rank otherwise it's not the same but that's jmo
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Post by Alan Berget on May 1, 2014 21:00:16 GMT -5
Maybe it was. But you just jump right down someone's throat right off the bat. So since your done, I'm done. What's said is said.
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 21:00:27 GMT -5
Josh, it was literally 2 months earlier. Do you honestly believe he got better in 2 months? When you take into account recovery time from the previous tourney, then rest time before the next tourney, what is that, 2-3 practices max? Come on now, you can't believe that. On a side note, this takes nothing away from Toups. He is a great puller and a good guy and did a great job at the Arnold's this year. I think he deserves to be ranked, but I think my win on him should count for something, especially when the class we both had to pull at UAL 6 is taken into account. I think that given he didn't cut weight and other factors its definitely possible he could have been a substantial amount stronger. But say he wasn't. What's the cutoff for being ranked above him, say if u beat him 2 months earlier u should be above him - then what if it had been 4 months, 6 months, or a year? If its a year then we'd need to go back to ur loss on Talbott, Quinlan Mendez beat him in a 98 class since then, should he be ranked above u and Toups both? Scott Ballinger beat Talbott in november and Toups beat Scott once, how far back "counts"? Rob I didn't c McGraw beating logsdon before I sent in my updates. Since then Bill beat AJ Henson too. Yes u go above the last guy u beat. This is how I've always done my rankings. Say my ranking is 1. A 2. B 3. C 4. D 5. E If D beats E then a month later D beats A, should D be ranked number 1? IMO no. He didnt beat A. E did. Different styles can be different results. Look at Kindt Corey cobra fisher Talbott and Klemba all going back and forth with each other. They've all beat each other in the last 1 year. Should I rank them all tied then? Or rank cobra and fisher highest since they won worlds in 1980 whatever
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Post by Rob Vigeant Jr. on May 1, 2014 21:20:03 GMT -5
... I don't care about the science it's simpler really...
Here is your hypocrisy you fail to see Josh.. In this very thread you tell me ford was ranked over me regardless of reasons... Regardless of being "tired"... I put my arm up... Yet Todd is on top because when I beat him he was"tired"... From a week before... Really ?...'he gets a week long pass, but I don't get a 5minute pass... Are you serious ?
Another... When did Jordan beat hutchings... Or Brent ?... Wasn't that summerish 2012 ?... If memory serves me... Jordan didn't beat Brent, he won the round robin... But that's a horrible format as he lost his first 2 pulls... Which tells me he wasn't the best guy there, but squeaked out the win. If you wanna go back there vaz ate him up in a match super match.... But today vaz lost to Clark.., soooooooo
So you take wins for Jordan 2 years ago, but not for me and not for Bryan just a few months ago... Hahaha.... Can you not see how bias this is ?!?
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 21:32:17 GMT -5
Rob I already told u u and Todd wasnt my decision. Either u don't believe me or don't like the answer so want to bitch anyways. Ask slater I was in favor of moving u over Todd. Spring 2011 sill beat Todd. Mighta been summer. It was when Todd was first coming back. 210 round robin at jimmy Payne classic fall 2012 then again in Florida feb 2013 he beat Brent. Or at least won the round robin Brent was a part of. He for sure beat Brzenk at the 2012 round robin. They might have went 1-1 I think Brent beat him in the round robin but sill won the round robin. Then sill beat Brent in the tournament. I know for sure sill won the round robin with Brent, Clark, aj, logsdon, Hughes, Brian Brandon, mike vaz, all in it. The difference between ur wins 2 years ago And sills is sill hasn't lost since. You were removed from the rankings completely due to inactivity. You don't get your spot back automatically, same as chad. No bias at all. ... If memory serves me... Jordan didn't beat Brent, he won the round robin... But that's a horrible format as he lost his first 2 pulls... Which tells me he wasn't the best guy there, but squeaked out the win. To me the guy who won the class is the best. If to you the first pull means the most, didnt Steven green smash you first round in your guys match? Rob do u know who Rod Mobley is?
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Post by Josh Handeland on May 1, 2014 21:39:48 GMT -5
Rob you're never going to be happy. You don't care about the science behind my rankings. But I told u what it was and its not going to change so if u don't like it its too bad for you. Its not biased because its the same for everyone. You make excuses when you lose, make excuses when you win, and constantly bitch about rankings. If you're so good and should be ranked higher why don't u quit the whining and go beat someone ranked above u. And don't bring up Hutchings again because I told u I told slater I wanted to move u above Todd when u beat him and he disagreed, we cooperate with each other, I figured UAL would set u guys up ASAP regardless so just went with him. Brzenk is going to A1, if u go there and win all u hafta do is pull at least 1x a year and not lose and you'll keep that spot forever. Unless another American beats krasimir because he's the only 199-42 ranked over Brzenk (world rankings). OR go to A1 at 198 and beat Hurchings who is also going then pull 198 at least once a year and don't lose. Simple as that. And don't say u don't have the money to go because if you're really the best you'll win and it'll cover your expenses.
Or, pull UAL supermatches at 205, idt any of the 42's ranked above u are in UAL 205 right now anyways so it'll be tough to move up doing that.
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