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Post by TK on Apr 8, 2007 15:44:12 GMT -5
a disgusted Clay throws his gold medal into the Ohio River."
once again insult to his country......racism was a battle to be fought in this country...and better men than him fought for that right....he was born Cass clay....then turned on his country like a coward..and converted to a religion that he wasn't born into.....plus if you watch a lot of his fights...i would bet my life savings (which is about 20.00) that he was crooked and fought in fixed fights.... it was easy to be a dominating fighter when he knew what the end result was.... hell even Elvis served his time....Clay was a Coward. Tyson would have knocked Ali out...4 rounds...just like on Ty's playstation.....
ENGIN said: Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights? No I'm not going 10,000 miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world
Because Engin, The "white man" was doing it...going out and giving their lives for this country....50% of those "white" men were also fighting to get rid of slavery......What was the "black" man gonna do...sit back and be boxing stars??...while the "white " fought the wars ....sounds like his situation wasn't that bad to me....i think if they wanted to be they should have fought just as hard as the next man.....where was all "ALLAH" for the white guys who didn't have a choice??...who died for this country??..and for the Brave Black men who fought along side .....
ALI was and still is a Traitor......
"SPOKEN BY A TRUE AMERICAN"
TK
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Post by TK on Apr 8, 2007 15:52:48 GMT -5
where was all "ALLAH" for the white guys who didn't have a choice??...who died for this country??.. I'LL ANSWER THIS ONE MYSELF....SOME OF THEM LIVE IN CANADA AND MEXICO.... TK
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Post by TK on Apr 8, 2007 15:54:48 GMT -5
draft dodgers were treated harshly...yet Ali got to live as a boxer......and is now praised as some kinda God D#mned Hero.....give me break...... TK
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 8, 2007 17:19:27 GMT -5
I agree with Todd 100% and me and him don't agree on a lot. Ali was a puss if you want my opinion and I would bet his fights were fixed too. He was a coward, you can argue all day about how blacks were mistreated boo-hoo thats not the boys faults that died for the country that african americans now have so many rights in. Im def not a racist person but throwing the racial issue in there to support ali's actions is stupid cause he was just a coward an so were everyone of the draft dodgers if you wouldn't fight for this country then in my opinion you need to find another country.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 8, 2007 17:20:45 GMT -5
Personally I think he should have not been allowed to box period for doing that.
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Post by TK on Apr 8, 2007 20:43:10 GMT -5
Personally I think he should have not been allowed to box period for doing that. good lord Johnny i agree with you....again.....lol next thing you know it'll start raining frogs... TK
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Post by Ryan Thames on Apr 9, 2007 3:28:03 GMT -5
i dont think anyone can say with surety that ali refused the draft for "moral" reasons.... many people believe that he reverted to islam because he was afraid of war.
Personally, i dont agree with the draft, unless it is a homeland national security problem.
If mexico invades (hypothetically speaking as if they hadnt already)....draft but we wouldnt have to do that, because we have the right to bear arms.
I must say....for vietnam...i support our troops. and i support that they have a right to political beliefs and moral beliefs. I dont think anyone shouldve been hanged for dodging the vietnam draft.....if it were world war 2...then yes it is treason.
if our country isnt in direct and immediate danger, i dont believe a draft should be enforced....and if a draft is enforced in that case then i believe the people have the right to chose not to go.
i believe it should remain forever an all volunteer army.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Apr 9, 2007 5:08:45 GMT -5
Ali would have destroyed Tyson when both were in their prime. Foreman would have too. Tyson was good not great. He could have been great but he was too much of a punk. The greats of the 60's 70's and 80's would have destoryed him: Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Shavers, jimmy Young. Granted Buster Douglas beat him when Tyson was a shell of former self, but Tyson never was the type to get up and win after being knocked down. He was a quitter when people stood up to him or refused to be intimidated. Maricano was great, but he was a light heavyweight. As much as I like him, I do not believe that he could hang with the bigger heavier guys. \ Are you serious, u obviously know nothing about boxing. All ali coulld do was dance, tyson would have smoked him!!!! Thanks - but I think I have a pretty good grasp of it. Tyson was a punk who would not have been able to hang with any of the big dogs. Ali would have boxed his ears off Foreman would have left him a crumpled mess Holmes would have cut him to ribbons Tyson had potential. He could have been great but he decided to be a criminal. Maybe you need to go back and study some more films.
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Post by gambit on Apr 9, 2007 8:51:46 GMT -5
[...] Personally, i dont agree with the draft, unless it is a homeland national security problem. [...] if our country isnt in direct and immediate danger, i dont believe a draft should be enforced....and if a draft is enforced in that case then i believe the people have the right to chose not to go. Ryan, how can a draft be enforced if a person has the right to choose whether he/she wants to go? This is why, when you turn 18 years old, you must register with the Selective Service. Whether you believe in it or not, a system like this should be in place in case, like you said, it is needed. But, you as the draftee should not have the right to choose to go and fight if you live under the banner of freedom of this country and expect the protection of it by others who have stepped up. To the day I die I would step up and fight for this country just for the fact of the freedoms we have, which must be defended...not to mention I have babies here at home which would be counting on daddy. If mexico invades (hypothetically speaking as if they hadnt already)....draft but we wouldnt have to do that, because we have the right to bear arms. [...] Yes, indeed, we do have the right to bare arms, but if the present Congress has their way we will not have such security for ourselves. i believe it should remain forever an all volunteer army. It would stay an all-volunteer military, and the draft would not even be a consideration, if the men and women had the support of their government and most of all... their PEOPLE. Some of you might be Hillary Clinton fans, but if she gets into office you can kiss your gun rights good-bye. Along with higher taxes and more of an influx of illegal aliens (they already said they would have a run on this country if she got in because of the benefits the Dems are pushing for them). She doesn't give a rat's a$$ about any of us true Americans. She is pandering to the ones who she knows she'll get a vote from - the sympathyzers. Think about it! I guess think this has gone off-subject... sorry guys... I agree with Bill, Ali would have beaten Tyson. My concern would have been if Tyson landed a solid blow to him. Ali could out maneuver almost anyone, but if Tyson was able to bulldog Ali in the corner, it would have been "lights out" for Ali. IMO Although, they probably never would have fought because they both would have been winded with their constant egos.
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Post by Bill Maenza on Apr 9, 2007 9:03:45 GMT -5
Allen, I think that Tyson *could* have hurt Ali, but not stopped him. Shavers could not, Foreman could not, Frazier could not, Norton broke his jaw but could not. Though I think Tyson would have beaten Norton, all of the others would have had their way with Tyson - IMO.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 9, 2007 10:24:28 GMT -5
Yeah I don't believe that, Tyson could bob and weave really good in his prime and He woulda landed punches on ali an no one landed punches on ali as hard as Tyson would have. Tyson woulda knocked that coward out.
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 9, 2007 11:50:36 GMT -5
Malik Abdul Azez (Tyson),Sugar Ray and the Greatest at the same talk show;
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Post by Mark Evans on Apr 9, 2007 12:59:25 GMT -5
\ Are you serious, u obviously know nothing about boxing. All ali coulld do was dance, tyson would have smoked him!!!! Thanks - but I think I have a pretty good grasp of it. Tyson was a punk who would not have been able to hang with any of the big dogs. Ali would have boxed his ears off Foreman would have left him a crumpled mess Holmes would have cut him to ribbons Tyson had potential. He could have been great but he decided to be a criminal. Maybe you need to go back and study some more films. Finally Bill, I was wondering when you would defend your self. For those of you that don't know, Ali was and still is the only fighter who could knock out a man while moving back. You experts say he danced around. The man could punch while moving in ALL directions. His punches put people in the hospital after fights. Ask "smoking" Joe Frazier. A little history concerning his "act of treason" He didn't go because he didn't believe in the war. Unlike the cowards who ran to Canada he stayed and faced congress and the rest of the Federal government. Had he went he would have been like Joe Louis (WW II) and Elvis Presley (Korea) and not been placed in harms way but been used to help with troop moral. Did I agree with his choice? No. Had I been drafted I would have went, I joined straight out of High School at age 17, right after the war. Back too boxing. You young guys should watch some of the classic fights before jumping on the "Tyson greatest ever band wagon" after doing so and you still have the same educated opinion then so be it.
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Post by enginterzi on Apr 9, 2007 13:06:26 GMT -5
QUOTES;
Heralded as the "Athlete of the Century" by USA Today, GQ, and many other publications, Muhammad continues to receive accolades for his contribution to sports. He has been named Sports Illustrated's "Athlete of the Century," the BBC's "Sports Personality of the Century," the World Sports Award's "World Sportsman of the Century," and the State of Kentucky's "Kentuckian of the Century." In 2005, he received the United States of America's highest civil award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
1960 wins olympic gold medal at Rome olympics represanting USA.
1990,Ali travelled to Iraq to negotiate release of American hostages.
1998 Ali names messenger of peace by United Nations in New York.
2005 Ali receives presidential Medal of Freedom,The White House.
2005 Ali receives Otto Hahn Peace Medal,Germany.
Muhammad Ali Honored as "Living Legend" in West Africa
The Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) and the African Communications Agency (ACA) have conferred boxing legend and former three-time heavyweight world champion Muhammad Ali with their Living Legend Award, and enshrined him in their Hall of Fame.
"ECOWAS is proud to be a part of this very special occasion," said Dr. Ibn Chambas, President of the ECOWAS Commission. "Muhammad Ali's legacy will resonate in the Hall of Fame forever. He is truly a living legend."
july 19. 1996 Ali lights the flame at opening ceremonies of 1996 Atlanta Olympic Games
Muhammad Ali, the final torch-bearer of the Olympic flame that had been carried across the United States, lights the cauldron opening the Centennial Olympic Summer Games in Atlanta. Ali describes the event in his own words: "I could feel the waves of emotion running through that Olympic crowd as the flame took hold. The Centennial Olympics reintroduced me to a generation of people who had grown up following my boxing career… I had finally come full circle: In 1960, I shocked the world and won the gold medal in boxing at the Rome Olympics. In 1996, I showed the world that Parkinson's disease hadn't defeated me. I showed them that I was still 'The Greatest of All Time'."
Muhammad Ali Honored by U.S. House of Representatives
Muhammad Ali was recognized by the United States House of Representatives in a resolution honoring his 65th birthday and humanitarian work. The bipartisan resolution was sponsored by Rep. Julia Carson of Indiana and co-sponsored by 54 members of Congress. It passed the House on Ali’s birthday, January 17, 2007.
“True greatness transcends the artificial boundaries of geography, gender, and race. True greatness rests in the hearts of men and women who believe in world peace and the humanity of every individual,” Rep. Carson said from the House floor. “How prophetic of a young Muhammad Ali when he declared, ‘I am the greatest of all time.’”
“Boxing gloves are a symbol of fighting for sport; but these gloves, because of the man who once wore them, symbolize so much more: fighting for justice, fighting for equality, and fighting for one's convictions,” said Rep. John Yarmuth of Kentucky. “My home district of Louisville, Kentucky, is known for a lot of things; and when you say the greatest, and particularly the greatest of all time, there is no question who you are talking about.”
“I see what Muhammad Ali did as being very great. He deserves this recognition, but we should also praise him for being a man of principle and willing to give up his title for 3 years at the age of 25 at the prime of his career,” Rep. Ron Paul of Texas noted. “How many of us give up something to stand on principle? He was a man of principle. He believed it and he stood firm, so even those who may disagree with his position may say at least he stood up for what he believed in. He suffered the consequences and fortunately was eventually vindicated.”
“[Ali’s] legendary charisma, charm, and genius did not stop in the ring or at press conferences,” said Rep. Maxine Waters of California, who offered remarks at the grand opening of the Muhammad Ali Center in 2005. “What makes him a true pioneer is the fact that he was principled enough to say no to the Vietnam War. The words he spoke in refusing the draft made a stark social commentary during that time and taught America a valuable way of thinking.”
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas noted Ali’s mark on the sports world and beyond: “Never has a sports figure inspired so many people in so many different ways. Ali has shown that a sport can be more than entertainment; it can also be a cultural event with the power to change social values. Muhammad Ali is one of the most recognized sportsmen of all time. His legacy is one that inspires both in the ring and through his humanitarian work.”
The text of the resolution, which passed the House by roll call vote 421-0, reads as follows:
H. Res. 58 In the House of Representatives, U. S., January 17, 2007. Whereas Muhammad Ali is a retired American boxer;
Whereas Ali was born in Louisville, Kentucky, on January 17, 1942, and was named Cassius Marcellus Clay, Jr. after his father, Cassius Marcellus Clay, Sr., (who was named for the 19th century abolitionist and politician Cassius Clay);
Whereas Ali later changed his name after joining the Nation of Islam and subsequently converted to Sunni Islam in 1975;
Whereas in 1999, Ali was crowned `Sportsman of the Century' by Sports Illustrated, won the World Heavyweight Boxing championship 3 times, and won the North American Boxing Federation championship and an Olympic gold medal;
Whereas on September 13, 1999, Ali was named `Kentucky Athlete of the Century' by the Kentucky Athletic Hall of Fame in ceremonies at the Galt House East;
Whereas Ali received the Presidential Medal of Freedom at a White House ceremony on November 9, 2005, and the prestigious `Otto Hahn peace medal in Gold' of the United Nations Association of Germany in Berlin on December 17, 2005, for his work with the United States civil rights movement and the United Nations;
Whereas since he retired from boxing, Ali has devoted himself to humanitarian endeavors around the globe;
Whereas Ali is a devout Sunni Muslim and travels the world over, working for hunger and poverty relief, supporting education efforts of all kinds, promoting adoption, and encouraging people to respect and better understand one another;
Whereas it is estimated that Ali has helped to provide more than 22,000,000 meals to feed the hungry and travels, on average, more than 200 days per year;
Whereas through his perseverance and the support of thousands Ali has continued his legacy of humanity through the establishment of the Muhammad Ali Center in his hometown of Louisville, Kentucky;
Whereas on November 19, 2005, Ali's 19th wedding anniversary, the $60,000,000 nonprofit Muhammad Ali Center opened in downtown Louisville, Kentucky, displaying his boxing memorabilia, the center focuses on core themes of peace, social responsibility, respect, and personal growth;
Whereas the Ali Center is much more than a place that tells the story of one man's journey, the Ali Center reaches beyond its physical walls to fulfill its mission: to preserve and share the legacy and ideals of Muhammad Ali, to promote respect, hope, and understanding, and to inspire adults and children everywhere to be as great as they can be;
Whereas the onsite visitor experience incorporates as organizing elements, 6 prevailing core values of Ali's life: respect, confidence, conviction, dedication, giving, and spirituality;
Whereas these theme-based pavilions all feature dramatic media presentations and interactive exhibits that help illustrate the `hows' of Ali's life: how he found the courage, the dedication, and the discipline to become who he is today, how he found the conviction to stand up for what he believed, and how he turned his passion for excellence in the ring to a passion for peace on the world stage;
Whereas like Muhammad Ali himself, the Muhammad Ali Center focuses on what brings individuals together, not what sets them apart and is a `global gathering place' where people can come—both online and in person—to learn, share, celebrate our commonalities as human beings, and formulate ways of advancing humanity today and in the future;
Whereas the Muhammad Ali Center's educational goals include various delivery methods and incorporate a wide range of topics, from respect, diversity, and personal discovery to empowerment and conflict resolution; and
Whereas ultimately, the Muhammad Ali Center's goal is to make a profoundly significant contribution to the global society: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives honors Muhammad Ali, global humanitarian, on the occasion of his 65th birthday and extends best wishes to him and his family.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Apr 9, 2007 13:25:35 GMT -5
He was a coward not a man of principle and I stand by my statement. They can all say what they want but I believe with all my heart he was just a coward. You can't punch a bullet but neither could the other boys that went but they didn't back out like he did and the ones that did are on the same level with him.
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