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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 0:08:31 GMT -5
Thats right Austin. An if all animals were gay then there would be no more reproduction. Therefor everything would eventually cease to exist. An if im not mistaken Nature is survival of the fittest according to evolution so there is you a hole to patch up if you believe it to be natural by your logic? ? Cause that would mean your contradict what you believe. On one hand you believe reproduction to be a natural process but then you believe homosexuals to be a natural occurrence. So that is two different things that go against each other you can't have gay animals that won't reproduce because they are gay...... Nor humans. Well humans have test tube babies now. But an animal couldn't possibly make a test tube baby on it's on. They don't have a higher concious like a HUMAN, which means they are inferior an therefor considered an animal an not an intelligent being like a HUMAN. An Austin is right you don't have an backup for what you said. From what I learned it is mostly from dominance over each other, some animals also eat there babies. Is that a normal animal thing too? nope just when something is usually wrong with the baby or the parents are really really hungry
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 0:13:53 GMT -5
An humans are supposedly the only beings that have sex for pleasure an homosexuality is a pleasure based thing, cause the person just prefers the company of the same sex. Animals mate on instinct to reproduce. But by there being just purely gay animals in the animal kingdom that would put them against the norm that is heterosexual animals an they would be against nature by the fact that they don't naturally wanna reproduce because the male lion wants another male lions ding dong.
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Post by Tim Layton on Jul 19, 2007 1:45:57 GMT -5
So there are animals that are strictly homosexual in nature? Ive always thought homosexual behavior isnt based on desire in the animal kingdom but more a show of dominance. To say homosexuality is plainy seen in nature in the same sense its seen in humans is false in my opinion and Ive never seen any research to back your claim up. So ignorance is behind anyone who disproves of homosexuality? I dont mean to be rude I just disagree with your assesment. . . I have said this before and I will say it again. In the realm of biology (biology = reality), humans are one of the many animals found on Earth. So to answer your first question, since humans are animals, and some humans claim to be exclusively homosexual, this can be seen as one example that animals are strictly homosexual in nature. Last I checked, there were no interviews with other animals besides humans on record, so it would be hard to conclude whether it is dominance or desire that caused the homosexual behavior observed in other animals. Maybe a combination of both? Also, there are many behaviors exhibited by humans that are not seen in the "same sense" as other animals due to, perhaps, human civilization. When I refer to ignorance, I am referring to ignorance of basic science. Humans are part of nature and part of the animal kingdom. There is no logical or scientific reason to disapprove of homosexuality that I have heard of. The only reason I have heard of to disapprove of homosexuality is based on fairy tales.......i.e. bible, koran....
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Post by Tim Layton on Jul 19, 2007 2:11:18 GMT -5
Thats right Austin. An if all animals were gay then there would be no more reproduction. Therefor everything would eventually cease to exist. An if im not mistaken Nature is survival of the fittest according to evolution so there is you a hole to patch up if you believe it to be natural by your logic? ? Cause that would mean your contradict what you believe. On one hand you believe reproduction to be a natural process but then you believe homosexuals to be a natural occurrence. So that is two different things that go against each other you can't have gay animals that won't reproduce because they are gay...... Nor humans. Well humans have test tube babies now. But an animal couldn't possibly make a test tube baby on it's on. They don't have a higher concious like a HUMAN, which means they are inferior an therefor considered an animal an not an intelligent being like a HUMAN. An Austin is right you don't have an backup for what you said. From what I learned it is mostly from dominance over each other, some animals also eat there babies. Is that a normal animal thing too? nope just when something is usually wrong with the baby or the parents are really really hungry The only way your argument makes any sense at all is to start with propositions that are untrue, like "An if all animals were gay then there would be no more reproduction. Therefor everything would eventually cease to exist." Actually, all animals aren't gay, so all of your worries you describe don't really exist, and my comments are not contradictory. I don't understand why you would use the term "therefore" after a false statement? I have to highlight this statement because it makes no sense: "On one hand you believe reproduction to be a natural process but then you believe homosexuals to be a natural occurrence. So that is two different things that go against each other you can't have gay animals that won't reproduce because they are gay...... Nor humans." Lemme fill you in on a little secret - homosexuals are a natural occurrence (unless all the homosexuals on this planet were transported here by aliens). Also, some gay male couples give their sperm to lesbian couples, and then by artifical insemenation, children with DNA from both partners are born (i.e. gay man 1 + lesbian 1 produce a child, and gay man 2 + lesbian 2 produce a child). So homosexuals can pass on their DNA and have kids after all.
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Post by Pete & Tim on Jul 19, 2007 9:09:19 GMT -5
One more name just got added to my prayer list and its not Anthony God, I hope it ain't me.
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 19, 2007 9:56:04 GMT -5
Nancy.. ...And I don't know if that guy John had/has a nickname!
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 13:02:55 GMT -5
What I was saying is there isn't gay animals. Humans aren't animals. I don't classify myself with an animal, you can if you want to I have a far larger thinking compacity than an animal. But according to the dear Biology homosexuals aren't natural things because they go against Natures purpose. ONLY humans can make test tube babies no other creature can. Thats what I was saying. They are an outcast in the natural process which I believe somewhat of but I don't believe it all. I believe people choose to do what they want. Only animals react on sole instinct an don't have higher thinking processes. Thats what seperates me from an animal. Im not sure what seperates you cause you wanna keep classifying yourself with them. Homosexuals can't reproduce naturally therefor by def. of natural, they aren't normal cause they won't reproduce normally like others. Thats why I keep saying it's not natural from a biological point of view, whether you wanna believe that or not is up to you.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 13:08:22 GMT -5
We co-exist on this planet with animals an they are something we should always take into account when making changes to the earths face so to speak. But they are not on the same level with us. The are far less intelligent. I have never even seen a chimp make some toilet paper. How come animals don't start world wars?? For instance why don't a bunch of North American animals attack African animals??? Cause they can't think like that they are far inferior to us. Scientist may classify them with us but if you ask me that just makes them scientist though very very intelligent some of the stupidest smart people I know of.
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jul 19, 2007 13:43:45 GMT -5
Humans have a body, soul, and spirit but animals dont.I take it your an athiest so you probly wont believe it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2007 13:54:29 GMT -5
There seems to be a lot of natural selection revealing itself on this thread, in my opinion... It appears to me much of the discussion is addressing purpose, i.e. why (religion/faith/belief/pick your word) versus mechanism, i.e. how (science/logic/deductive reasoning/pick your word). In proper context, why and how tend not to intermix much, and so I don't find them to be inherently conflicting. However, when you ask questions of why, in order to answer questions of how, it likely won't give you the answer you seek. And vice versa. Reputable people who truly work in these areas know the boundaries. Pitting why versus how could go on for quite awhile... I can't wait to read about what you all conclude!
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Post by CHRISTIAN BINNIE on Jul 19, 2007 14:10:40 GMT -5
Johnnys getting better than Ryan....
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 16:29:02 GMT -5
If your referring to me Robert, Where did I state an animal didn't have a soul? Which actually I believe they do but where is our proof they do have a soul? I have never read it as far as I can remember? If your not referring to me then don't worry about this response. What boundaries do you speak of Bob? I have never heard of boundaries when it comes to learning something? I in no way shape or form do I tend to believe in natural selection I was arguing from a scientific viewpoint. Cause if im to argue from a religous viewpoint then I would just be a religious Zealot. I didn't know I was required to argue within a certain boundary??? But here it goes then according to the bible being gay is wrong. Man is not to lay with mankind as he does with womankind an women aren't supposed to do likewise with women. We are not grouped with animals. We were made above animals, an to rule over them. I like saying I haven't seen an animal invent anything great, besides using sticks to get bugs to eat. An if being gay is wrong by GODS standards then it's wrong no matter what anyone says or believes he is ultimate law whether you accept that or not...... So God doesn't make Gay people they are normal people influenced by dark beings that make them wanna be Gay according to the bible. So they have what we should call GAY SYNDROME it should be labeled as a sickness just like heartburn is labeled as ACID REFLUX DISEASE. Actually Bob though I think your mistaken a bit you can ask a question about WHY an IF you DO get the ANSWER then you will be able to understand HOW something happens Cause Why is the main reason that something can take place an you have to know how to do something or how something is carried out in order to be able to ask a why about it. For instance why does the world go round??? Well in order for us to live the world MUST move around the sun an the earth must spin or we would all float off. How does it go around then follows. Well there are lots of theories about what made the earth start spinning an going around the sun I like How God caused it to. But other people say there was a huge explosion a long time ago an it just naturally started spinning an rotating around the sun. BUT the two do go together. Not the bang an God but the why an how. Cause you won't ask one without asking the other so they are intertwined within the aspects of a good search for answers. I never ask one without the other. That would be a little stupid on my part not to. Cause you have to see all aspects of something in order to even begin to understand it. Otherwise your just left wondering Why you didn't ask an How you couldn't have just asked? Not sure if that made any sence to you but I tried.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 19, 2007 16:35:16 GMT -5
What do you mean Christian? I think I see your trying to insult me by saying I am a religious Zealot which is what ya'll think Ryan is??? Am I right??? In that case I guess im sorry I look at things different than you do. Cause I can oh an I WILL learn things how I want to an understand them the best I can if it interest me. Only small minded people don't see everything from all aspects of something which would make you a big person with a small mind So how about some of that right arm on the table???
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Post by Bob Paradis on Jul 19, 2007 17:37:56 GMT -5
What do you mean Christian? I think I see your trying to insult me by saying I am a religious Zealot which is what ya'll think Ryan is??? Am I right??? In that case I guess im sorry I look at things different than you do. Cause I can oh an I WILL learn things how I want to an understand them the best I can if it interest me. Only small minded people don't see everything from all aspects of something which would make you a big person with a small mind So how about some of that right arm on the table??? Do you think that will help your tendonitis?
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jul 19, 2007 17:46:09 GMT -5
Sorry I meant TIM
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