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Post by Hungry Hippo on Jun 7, 2011 20:09:11 GMT -5
NIV is a good Bible but KJV is pronounced by the historians to be the closest to the scrolls. I personally lean heavily towards the KJV
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 7, 2011 20:53:56 GMT -5
NIV is a good Bible but KJV is pronounced by the historians to be the closest to the scrolls. I personally lean heavily towards the KJV I agree. NIV will let you down often. Though there are others that are just as close to the original text such as the American standard and the New King James. As long as it's a word for word translation I'm good with it. The NIV is a word for thought NLT is a thought for thought or paraphrase The MESSage should be thrown in the garbage |
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Post by John Wilson on Jun 7, 2011 21:17:17 GMT -5
NIV is a good Bible but KJV is pronounced by the historians to be the closest to the scrolls. I personally lean heavily towards the KJV I agree. NIV will let you down often. Though there are others that are just as close to the original text such as the American standard and the New King James. As long as it's a word for word translation I'm good with it. The NIV is a word for thought NLT is a thought for thought or paraphrase The MESSage should be thrown in the garbage I believe the weakness in any of these translations rests with the English language itself. English is a terrible language where precision is concerned. In so many instances there simply is no English word for a literal translation. In English, I love my wife. I love my brother. I love God. I love French fries. In none of these does the word "love" have the same meaning. How would anyone 2000 years from now understand the original intent when our language is full of vernacular that changes in meaning often? The KJV is 1600s vernacular. It may be a wonderful translation, but nobody alive today speaks 1600s old English conversationally like the translators did. My point is not to discredit any version of the bible. Instead I am saying that any biblical study is instantly limited if the study is confined to English. |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jun 7, 2011 22:53:34 GMT -5
I posed the question who is lucifer, on my Facebook if anyone wants to chime in on the responses I got
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Post by Robert Bishop on Jun 8, 2011 14:57:26 GMT -5
after reading the living word bible i was shocked at how bad it was twisted  KJV only for me |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 8, 2011 19:06:43 GMT -5
It would really help if we could all read Hebrew.
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Post by Michael Wells on Jun 8, 2011 21:04:12 GMT -5
It would really help if we could all read Hebrew. Fully agree!! Have yall read on the Dead Sea Scrolls, and what do you think about them? |
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jun 8, 2011 22:35:54 GMT -5
They are some of the absolute oldest documents and back up what the newer ones say which is pretty neat. They prove not really anything has changed. Now compared to some of todays translations thats another story though.
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Post by Allen Hester on Jul 25, 2011 10:35:36 GMT -5
Interesting topic, which has many great posts.
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 25, 2011 11:38:56 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on some of this Allen....
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Post by Allen Hester on Jul 25, 2011 15:39:04 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on some of this Allen.... We know that Masons have been accused of a lot of things, (ie. world orders, satanic rituals, mockery of the bible), but the fact is, that is not true. People fear what they do not know, regardless how much they say they do know, they are still ignorant of almost aspect of it. If I were to have brought up this conversation I believe it would have gone in a different direction, completely, since I am a Mason. Teachings in Freemasonry, in America, encourage the worship of our Lord Jesus Christ. However, it does not do so specifically, it does not dictate as to what Deity one should worship, but rather follow your heart of goodness. In saying this, goodness/godliness does not come from Satan. Lucifer is in reference to Christ, and the term has been misconstrued through translation - I am a God fearing Christian, there is where I stand. Now how will it be perceived? |
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Post by Ryan Thames on Jul 25, 2011 16:05:30 GMT -5
Another mason brought that to my attention about Christ being lucifer.
Made me step back and rethink
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 17:18:00 GMT -5
What do you think about the term Lucifer being in there period though Allen??? It's not even a term thats supposed to be present at all from everything I have studied so far. Also what degree are you in the Masons?? The theories I have heard about Mason's being evil do have some evidence of that in certain aspects as in if your looking at it from a Christian viewpoint. Such as in the book The mysteries of Magic it speaks about how one can conjure Lucifer up. Last I check we cannot conjure Jesus up with Magic, also I can't apply the term Lucifer to Satan nor to Christ as it's a term that wasn't written in there originally. Just some thoughts. I would also like to know your further thoughts. The say the highest levels of the orders are only in the know and even then only one side of the order. One of my best friends is a Mason and my great grandpa was and my uncle was also.
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Post by Johnny Edwards on Jul 25, 2011 17:19:10 GMT -5
Most mason's do not ever go past 3rd degree or blue lodge as it's called right??
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Post by Hungry Hippo on Aug 1, 2011 1:35:10 GMT -5
Another mason brought that to my attention about Christ being lucifer. Made me step back and rethink and you believed him? Christ was not King Nebby |
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